Not anymore infertile then two red loreds honestly. The only things that become sterile are hybrids of a hyacinth with another macaw, so like a hybrid called a emerald macaw is infertile... It's something about the yellow eye patch to the white eye patch, this doesn't follow over in any other species. This may be more then you wanted, but I don't see anymore infertility...
But if you are suggesting about breeding those two I'd suggest not hybrid amazons aren't work making, there is no market plus no need to do so. I'd say get true pairs if you must breed.
But if you are suggesting about breeding those two I'd suggest not hybrid amazons aren't work making, there is no market plus no need to do so. I'd say get true pairs if you must breed.
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Actually, emerald macaws are probably fertile... and I have seen photos of 2nd generation hybrid hyacinth macaws... granted, it was breeding hyacinth to hybrid macaw... but two of these birds (catalina x hyacinth) did produce offspring. The offspring didn't survive, but it's hard to say if it's due to hybridization, inbreeding, or failure to thrive/bad parents - or a combination of all of them.
Flickr: Search Hybrid Parrots
And this one in particular might be a third generation hybrid???
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I *hope* that the Pyrrhura x Large Conure hybrids are sterile, as well as the Cockatoo x Cockatiel hybrids and the Conure x Amazon hybrids... or the Rosella x Kakariki hybrids and the Lorikeet x King Parrot.... or Scarlet Chested x Princess Parrot hybrids are sterile....
But most all other parrots are probably fertile (including mini macaw x conure hybrids - not sure, but I assume so) - except for some of the multiple generation hybrid macaws are also sterile.
Don't know about the Sun x Golden Conures though...
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And this one in particular might be a third generation hybrid???
Hyalina-05 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I *hope* that the Pyrrhura x Large Conure hybrids are sterile, as well as the Cockatoo x Cockatiel hybrids and the Conure x Amazon hybrids... or the Rosella x Kakariki hybrids and the Lorikeet x King Parrot.... or Scarlet Chested x Princess Parrot hybrids are sterile....
But most all other parrots are probably fertile (including mini macaw x conure hybrids - not sure, but I assume so) - except for some of the multiple generation hybrid macaws are also sterile.
Don't know about the Sun x Golden Conures though...
Monica they are not fertile at all, I promise you this. The Catalina mixed with a hyacinth is then not fertile as it was mixed with a hyacinth, so you won't be able to make anything more out of it it's ok until you mix the yellow face patch gene with a white face patch this is supported by man avian vets and a very expirenced long time breeder of macaws that has a emerald macaw and she is completely infertile.
It depends on the conure a mini macaw is mixed with, this will depict what the fertility chance are sme conures are more closely related to a mini then other conures, ie the Patagonian conure and maybe he nanday conure.
The photo of a hyaline is just a Catalina mixed with a hyacinth which is perfectly able to happen, but after this that hyalinia is completely infertile.
A emerald macaw is a buffons macaw mixed with a hyacinth and then that mixture ends up being infertile, years ago in erm any they had two hyacinth mixed with blue and golds, it was a unrelated male and female and they tried for years to breed them and nothing was ever fertile, and this is ow it has gone with the emerald macaws and millicinth and scarlet hy hybrids, and greenwing hyacinth hybrids.
Just a funny note: is the hyacinth hybrids in Flickr the one with the lady and the emerald macaw is actually the emerald macaw that is in the ladies will for me and that is the lady that hires me for behavioral work
, interesting how even the Internet can be a small world, I was holding that exact bird today actually lol.
It depends on the conure a mini macaw is mixed with, this will depict what the fertility chance are sme conures are more closely related to a mini then other conures, ie the Patagonian conure and maybe he nanday conure.
The photo of a hyaline is just a Catalina mixed with a hyacinth which is perfectly able to happen, but after this that hyalinia is completely infertile.
A emerald macaw is a buffons macaw mixed with a hyacinth and then that mixture ends up being infertile, years ago in erm any they had two hyacinth mixed with blue and golds, it was a unrelated male and female and they tried for years to breed them and nothing was ever fertile, and this is ow it has gone with the emerald macaws and millicinth and scarlet hy hybrids, and greenwing hyacinth hybrids.
Just a funny note: is the hyacinth hybrids in Flickr the one with the lady and the emerald macaw is actually the emerald macaw that is in the ladies will for me and that is the lady that hires me for behavioral work
, interesting how even the Internet can be a small world, I was holding that exact bird today actually lol.
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Hyalina hybrid macaw bred back to a hybrid Catalina macaw. This is the offspring.
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These Hyalina macaw siblings are also a proven pair. They hatched a baby. Unfortunately it died in the nest box.
---------------- Hatched a chick. That tells me the hybrids are quite possible fertile. Maybe they have a reduced fertility, but they could still be fertile.
I don't know what macaw you speak of on Flickr, unless you mean the photo posted by Dave Womach? (which isn't even his photo) In which case, I do.
BTW, I do know what the hybrids are.
Hyalina hybrid macaw bred back to a hybrid Catalina macaw. This is the offspring.
Hyalina-04 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
These Hyalina macaw siblings are also a proven pair. They hatched a baby. Unfortunately it died in the nest box.
---------------- Hatched a chick. That tells me the hybrids are quite possible fertile. Maybe they have a reduced fertility, but they could still be fertile.
I don't know what macaw you speak of on Flickr, unless you mean the photo posted by Dave Womach? (which isn't even his photo) In which case, I do.
BTW, I do know what the hybrids are.
Hmm I will look more into this and yes I mean the one by Dave Womach it's not his photo it is one taken by ken globes when he came to work with that bird years ago. That exact emerald macaw Is the one willed to me , you can see a picture of her in my albumns.
I have not heard anything diffent about the infertility of these hybrids until today so thank you as now I can give some looking into and get a better handle on the break through, maybe some are infertile and other birds are not like a 5050 chance of it being a so called mule and a perfectly good breeder...
I didn't say you didn't I just used it as an example and added in what it was mixed with so we both had a clear understanding.
, you can see a picture of her in my albumns.I have not heard anything diffent about the infertility of these hybrids until today so thank you as now I can give some looking into and get a better handle on the break through, maybe some are infertile and other birds are not like a 5050 chance of it being a so called mule and a perfectly good breeder...
I didn't say you didn't I just used it as an example and added in what it was mixed with so we both had a clear understanding.
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Alright.
I have wondered if it was anything like ligers and tigons... where only the females are fertile and male are not... only more so about certain birds having higher fertility than others and it's just a crap shot? Luck of the draw? I don't know.
I do know there was a breeder trying to breed two emerald macaws together, however his aviary got a highly infectious and deadly disease that nearly wiped him out... which took both emerald macaws.
I would also like to know more about fertility, or lack of, of various parrot hybrids.
Here's the conure x amazon hybrid.... odd little thing!
2012 | Papegaaien rijden scheve schaats
I have wondered if it was anything like ligers and tigons... where only the females are fertile and male are not... only more so about certain birds having higher fertility than others and it's just a crap shot? Luck of the draw? I don't know.
I do know there was a breeder trying to breed two emerald macaws together, however his aviary got a highly infectious and deadly disease that nearly wiped him out... which took both emerald macaws.
I would also like to know more about fertility, or lack of, of various parrot hybrids.
Here's the conure x amazon hybrid.... odd little thing!
2012 | Papegaaien rijden scheve schaats
yea and the mini macaw hybrids are interesting espically the nanday hahns hybrid, i dont really agree with it, but it is defiantly odd.
the amazon conure hybrid is kinda cool looking though
the amazon conure hybrid is kinda cool looking though
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an amazon x conure?!! omg!! Woah
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zoloft, apparently it's not the only one, but it's the only one I've seen pictures of. I expected to see a pionus x amazon hybrid before I ever saw a conure x amazon!
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Grey it's all about seeing what you get and saying you have the first of its kind and trying to become famous or make a ton of money....
I mean look at my bluffons macaw, why would you waste a buffons on a blue and gold... I love my bird but why did they have to do that, wouldn't change him for the world but it just bewilders me. As well I hate seeing people hybridize blue throats with other macaws it's like... C'mon you expect it to look any different then mixing a blue and gold to a greenwing... Fat chance.
I completely agree with yo and wish it would stop.
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Just because the hen is broody doesn't mean you *have* to encourage them to reproduce.
I have a female cockatiel that lays eggs. She is very doting and caring for those eggs, but she'd probably freak out if her eggs hatched! Casey doesn't spend the amount of time required to incubate and hatch the eggs (not that they are fertile anyway) and she has shown no sign of having any interest in a male cockatiel! (fine by me!)
I also have a female bourke parakeet that lays eggs and they, too, are also duds. If I had a male bourke, I'm sure she'd happily pair up with him and breed... but she's 16-18 years old (expected lifespan is 11-15 years) and has cancer. I'm not interested in breeding, and even if I was, she's far too old for me to put her through the stress of raising a family.
Sorry, but I don't feel that just because a hen is broody is a good reason to encourage her to breed, hybridization or not.
Still waiting for a photo of a BTM and a B&G... I've heard of them, but never seen one.
Only BTM hybrid I've seen were crossed with Militaries, and, IMO, they don't look the same as a B&G. Similar, yes, but not the same.
http://www.corrientesloropark.com.ar/ventaavesloros/compraramazonas1.jpg
Monica blu and gold hybrid with a btm doesn't even look different then a blue and gold just smaller and maybe Alittle extra blue around the neck, most blue and golds already have Alittle blue in there black.. I hate seeing it and wish it would stop I mean there dang wild population is so low and yet we try and make this unique bird just because.
I'll see if I can find the picture of the blue and gold, blue throated hybrid.
I'll see if I can find the picture of the blue and gold, blue throated hybrid.
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Would appreciate that, thanks!
The major differences that I know of between the species is the facial feathers (blue vs black), the "beard" (again, blue vs black), the size and the forehead colors (blue vs green).
Can't say I've noticed any B&G's with blue in the "beard"... but now that I *am* looking, I see what you mean! I don't necessarily think this means that they *are* hybrids, but certainly different.
The major differences that I know of between the species is the facial feathers (blue vs black), the "beard" (again, blue vs black), the size and the forehead colors (blue vs green).
Can't say I've noticed any B&G's with blue in the "beard"... but now that I *am* looking, I see what you mean! I don't necessarily think this means that they *are* hybrids, but certainly different.
Well it's just so pathetic to waste a blue throated on anything else but a blue throat they need breed to bring up the general population you know what I mean....
I do know the differeance between a blue and gold and a blue throat as I own two blue and golds and a blue throated. Billie, tucker and my Lars boy!
They are not hybrids it is normal in all blue and golds to have a slight blue tinge, some have more prominent blues then others, my tucker has a good bit of bue and bille has less blue.
I do know the differeance between a blue and gold and a blue throat as I own two blue and golds and a blue throated
. Billie, tucker and my Lars boy!They are not hybrids it is normal in all blue and golds to have a slight blue tinge, some have more prominent blues then others, my tucker has a good bit of bue and bille has less blue.
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I agree with ya! Still interested in seeing the hybrids that are already out there, but do prefer it if people keep same species together!
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