Very little water in eyes!

[Mohitgaur088]

Shine have always had little water in her eyes, we can't call it a watery eye because water is never that much and never came out of her eyes (and vet cleared that it's not a trouble), it's just like little bit of liquid in there! Is it there to moisten those eyes? Our vet also mentioned that if she, among other things, ever gets a bubble in her eyes then I should contact him immediately! What conditions cause this water bubble in eyes? I've heard that it's a sign of a chronic sinus infection! Opinions?

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[Scott]

I am not familiar with specific eye difficulties. Can you post an image of the eyes?

If in doubt, a visit to a certified avian vet can evaluate and diagnose.

 

[Mohitgaur088]

I am not familiar with specific eye difficulties. Can you post an image of the eyes?

If in doubt, a visit to a certified avian vet can evaluate and diagnose.

I'll try to post a picture but the problem is that the little water I'm talking about can't be noticed in photos!

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[Scott]

Hard to know without a picture, but members with cockatiel experience may be able to comment on the overall area of interest.

 

[ChristaNL]

Has your bird been tested for psittacosis?
(not saying your bird has it, though it's rumoured about 60-70% of tiels and lovebirds are a carier anyway)
One of the symptoms is a 'wet eye'.

Reliable test are bloodwork or (usually) a cloaca-swab (feathers are a no-no!) and its easily fixed with a few weeks of antibiotics.

 

[Mohitgaur088]

There are literally no other symptoms other than that little water in eyes which will never come out of her eyes! She's very playful and active and two vets called her healthy (both were avian) but she's never been tested for psittacosis (she's not even 1 year old and is going through her first molt, I adopted her 1 month ago), the thing is that i don't want her to visit vets again and again! Can psittacosis go unnoticed without any major symptom?

Has your bird been tested for psittacosis?
(not saying your bird has it, though it's rumoured about 60-70% of tiels and lovebirds are a carier anyway)
One of the symptoms is a 'wet eye'.

Reliable test are bloodwork or (usually) a cloaca-swab (feathers are a no-no!) and its easily fixed with a few weeks of antibiotics.

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[ChristaNL]

Lots and lots of birds are carier (have the bacteria with them but do not get very sick or drop dead) it's actually very common.
The only reason people raise a big stink about it is because humans can also catch this and get sick, sometimes die (usually of the pheumonia, mostly children and old people) and if a parrot gets really sick you have to move *fast* to save its life (lots of people are too late).
In other birds is called "ornithosis"; it's the same disease, but since they are no parrots the name was not fitting.
(70-80% of the city-dwelling pigeons here are carier)


But with your bird it could be any simple thing like an ingrown 'eyelash-feather' or even a narrow tearduct so the fluid builds up a bit.


You are already watching your bird and its health anyway- so you are doing great.



Usually you get an "all clear" of the CAV after all the tests are done, but for the small and relative cheap birds most people do not bother.
Kind of makes sense: a tiel here wil cost 15-65 Euro in the shops and the complete testst are 150-250ish, so replacing a sick bird is more cost-effective than testing.
(That is why nobody is sure about how many of the 'small stuff' caries certain diseases; larger parrots get tested more often.)

 

[Mohitgaur088]

I am not gonna be one of the people who don't care! She's my Darling.... I'll look for a more experienced avian vet here in India who can go through her conditions and do tests and can come to a better conclusion [emoji4]

Lots and lots of birds are carier (have the bacteria with them but do not get very sick or drop dead) it's actually very common.
The only reason people raise a big stink about it is because humans can also catch this and get sick, sometimes die (usually of the pheumonia, mostly children and old people) and if a parrot gets really sick you have to move *fast* to save its life (lots of people are too late).
In other birds is called "ornithosis"; it's the same disease, but since they are no parrots the name was not fitting.
(70-80% of the city-dwelling pigeons here are carier)


But with your bird it could be any simple thing like an ingrown 'eyelash-feather' or even a narrow tearduct so the fluid builds up a bit.


You are already watching your bird and its health anyway- so you are doing great.



Usually you get an "all clear" of the CAV after all the tests are done, but for the small and relative cheap birds most people do not bother.
Kind of makes sense: a tiel here wil cost 15-65 Euro in the shops and the complete testst are 150-250ish, so replacing a sick bird is more cost-effective than testing.
(That is why nobody is sure about how many of the 'small stuff' caries certain diseases; larger parrots get tested more often.)

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[LaManuka]

Unfortunately psittacosis is quite prevalent among pet birds, my vet suggests at least one in eight pet parrots in Australia have it. Many do not show any symptoms and for them it only becomes an issue if they catch something else on top of it. It’s worth getting her checked out for it though and it can be treated. Have you noticed her sneezing unduly? Nevertheless I know you want the best for your birdie so best of luck with her!

 

[Mohitgaur088]

There's no unusual or excessive sneezing issue with her...

Unfortunately psittacosis is quite prevalent among pet birds, my vet suggests at least one in eight pet parrots in Australia have it. Many do not show any symptoms and for them it only becomes an issue if they catch something else on top of it. It’s worth getting her checked out for it though and it can be treated. Have you noticed her sneezing unduly? Nevertheless I know you want the best for your birdie so best of luck with her!

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[LaManuka]

Good. She still may have psittacosis but a low-grade background or “carrier” level. Lots of birds have it but show no symptoms. Still worth getting it checked out because if she has it, it will compromise her system should she catch something else on top of it which would make her very sick indeed. It’s a drag having the blood tests and treatment but it’s what is best for her, and it may turn out she doesn’t have it at all.

 

[Mohitgaur088]

Good. She still may have psittacosis but a low-grade background or “carrier” level. Lots of birds have it but show no symptoms. Still worth getting it checked out because if she has it, it will compromise her system should she catch something else on top of it which would make her very sick indeed. It’s a drag having the blood tests and treatment but it’s what is best for her, and it may turn out she doesn’t have it at all.

Pls keep checking this field, I'll be posting pics tomorrow! What if this is simply beginning of conjunctivitis( wet eyes and she rubbed feathers around eye with toenail, some feathers are gone but it may also be because of molt) A friend of mine thinks so.....and I don't know much about eye problems :-( I can post photos even now...but she's sleeping right now, and I don't wanna disturb her! I'll also reach out to vet tomorrow...

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[EllenD]

I'm confused as to exactly what the problem actually is, I'm not following what you're describing...Do you mean that she has "watery eyes", as in her eyes run all the time, or do you mean that there is a lot of water that is actually inside of her eyeballs themselves? Or are you saying that she has "little water in her eyes", meaning they are actually dry? All 3 of these are a symptom of several different conditions, so unless I know what you're actually talking about I can't list the differential-diagnoses...

***If you're talking about her having "runny eyes", meaning that there is extra water OUTSIDE OF HER EYE AND RUNNING, then that is usually a sign of either a tear-duct problem, or of a sinus/upper respiratory infection or issue (or psitticosis), or of an issue of the inner-ear, among other things...If you mean that there is extra water INSIDE OF HER ACTUAL EYEBALL, this can be several different things, but the question then is #1) Is it only one of her eyes or both eyes, and #2) How were you able to see this problem, meaning can you actually see that her eyeball or eyeballs are "swollen" or bulging, or can you see actual bubbles inside of her eyeball? There are several different health issues that can cause the ocular fluid inside of the eye to rise and cause the actual eyeballs to expand/swell, usually they occur in one eye, not both.

****With issues such as Psittacosis, it's usually extra liquid running outside of the eyes, and it's almost always bilateral, or BOTH EYES that are effected, same for any other type of illness or infection that causes upper respiratory or sinus issues, it's not just one eye that is running, unless it's an infection that has JUST STARTED and is local to one side of the sinuses...with systemic illnesses and infections such as Psittacosis, you typically get the signs/symptoms in both eyes, both ears, both sides of the sinuses at the same time...So that can help you further narrow-down the diagnosis...

I'm just not sure what it is that you're saying is actually wrong; Is it too much water or too little water, and is it outside of the eye(s) or inside of the eye(s)? And is it one eye or both? And if it's inside of the eye(s), what made you notice it in the first place?

 

[Mohitgaur088]

I know I am bad at explaining this issue....it's like...Like someone crying a little and tears aren't coming out of his eyes, thus eyes look a bit watery (i know birds don't cry that way...just trying to explain)! There's not too much water, it's not coming out of eyes...I mean not coming out to cheeks or skin below eyes! I am attaching a pic of how it may have looked like in humans!

I'm confused as to exactly what the problem actually is, I'm not following what you're describing...Do you mean that she has "watery eyes", as in her eyes run all the time, or do you mean that there is a lot of water that is actually inside of her eyeballs themselves? Or are you saying that she has "little water in her eyes", meaning they are actually dry? All 3 of these are a symptom of several different conditions, so unless I know what you're actually talking about I can't list the differential-diagnoses...

***If you're talking about her having "runny eyes", meaning that there is extra water OUTSIDE OF HER EYE AND RUNNING, then that is usually a sign of either a tear-duct problem, or of a sinus/upper respiratory infection or issue (or psitticosis), or of an issue of the inner-ear, among other things...If you mean that there is extra water INSIDE OF HER ACTUAL EYEBALL, this can be several different things, but the question then is #1) Is it only one of her eyes or both eyes, and #2) How were you able to see this problem, meaning can you actually see that her eyeball or eyeballs are "swollen" or bulging, or can you see actual bubbles inside of her eyeball? There are several different health issues that can cause the ocular fluid inside of the eye to rise and cause the actual eyeballs to expand/swell, usually they occur in one eye, not both.

****With issues such as Psittacosis, it's usually extra liquid running outside of the eyes, and it's almost always bilateral, or BOTH EYES that are effected, same for any other type of illness or infection that causes upper respiratory or sinus issues, it's not just one eye that is running, unless it's an infection that has JUST STARTED and is local to one side of the sinuses...with systemic illnesses and infections such as Psittacosis, you typically get the signs/symptoms in both eyes, both ears, both sides of the sinuses at the same time...So that can help you further narrow-down the diagnosis...

I'm just not sure what it is that you're saying is actually wrong; Is it too much water or too little water, and is it outside of the eye(s) or inside of the eye(s)? And is it one eye or both? And if it's inside of the eye(s), what made you notice it in the first place?

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[Owlet]

I found this thread that mentions bubbles / bubbling from eyes
http://www.parrotforums.com/amazons/7364-mealy-bubbling-eyes-congestion.html

And another thread that discussed bubbling on the eyes of a chicken and it being treated as just an eye infection, nothing more. Not going to link because it's also discusses some rather unsavory things that aren't necessary imo

Found this link too that discusses possibly chronic sinus infection
cockateil gets bubbles in eyes when sneezing

so my thoughts are probably an infection of some kind that should be treated asap. could be nothing major like psittacosis but an infection can do lots of damage if not treated so I would find a CAV that you feel is trust worthy and talk about potential tests to get a diagnosis and treatment options

 

[ChristaNL]

I hope this one is allowed
https://www.facebook.com/notes/sadiq-bhaimia/psittacosis-one-eyed-cold/1026391310806213/


but the picture might be what we are looking for...

 

[Mohitgaur088]

It's in both eyes

I hope this one is allowed
https://www.facebook.com/notes/sadiq-bhaimia/psittacosis-one-eyed-cold/1026391310806213/


but the picture might be what we are looking for...

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[ChristaNL]

I know, but it was the only picture I could find with a watery-eyed bird.

 

[Mohitgaur088]

Lemme go through those articles

I know, but it was the only picture I could find with a watery-eyed bird.

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[Mohitgaur088]

I know, but it was the only picture I could find with a watery-eyed bird.

Yeah that's what her eyes look like! But there's not that much swelling type of stuff as in that picture- bird in picture looks somewhat very swollen! She's having that water in both eyes...what it suggests? :-( Now, I'm worried


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