Storing f10

[SunnyTheConure]

Can I store diluted f10 in a plastic water bottle

 

[noodles123]

In a chemically resistant plastic water bottle it can be stored (after mixing) for 6 months.

This is my favorite, as it is marked--- I do 2ml to 17 oz.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Ah okay I'll have to do something than right now half is in the spray bottle and the other half in a plastic water bottle.

 

[noodles123]

In the short-term, I am sure it is fine in a regular bottle, but you want the chemically resistant once because it is a chemical and I'm not sure, but it could break-down plastic or cause leeching from the plastic if it sits in there long enough.

If you get a spray bottle that is marked, you can mix it right in the bottle.
I fill up one of these 2x and squirt it into the bottle (2 ml altogether) and then fill the line to 17 oz, close and shake.

You can get the syringe for free at most pharmacies if you just ask for a 1ML medicine syringe (non-needle variety). I offered to buy mine and they were like, nah, just take it. I think they give them out with meds.

*NOTE-- The 6 month thing assumes that the bottle and syringe you used were clean-- external contamination or excess bacteria would impact the 6 month time period.
If you dip the syringe into the F10 bottle directly, just make sure it is clean and free from water etc before you do, so that you are not contaminating the concentrate.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Can I use f10 on a plastic bird cage tray.

 

[noodles123]

yes- as far as I am aware. I have used it on similar things. Plastic is non-porous, so it should disinfect and dry at typical rates.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

What should it not be used on. I'm sorry I dont know what non porpurus means in my language.

 

[noodles123]

If you use it on things with tiny holes in it (like wood etc, untreated stone etc) then you cannot guarantee the same disinfection or drying rate. If you spray it on a soiled surface or organic matter (an area covered in poop, leaves, dirt, whatever etc) it will not work AS well as it would on a non-porous sruface.
You CAN spray it on the poop, but it won't disinfect in the same way as if you removed the poop and then let it sit. I often soak poop in it, wipe it away, then re-spray the surface without debris (allowing it to sit as directed).

It's not likely to do a lot of harm on other surfaces, but it won't work as well, and if drying rates are slower, you also want to keep that in mind. I use it on my bird's wooden perch from time to time, but I make sure she's not going to be chewing on it for a while etc. That having been said, it is BEST at cleaning non-porous surfaces..That is what the studies were based on. That doesn't mean it is useless elsewhere, but the research was based on slick, solid surfaces.

It's not something you want them to deliberately contact while wet, but it's fairly safe (as a no-rinse product)..You just want to avoid allowing them to eat it etc (although mine did that once and survived).

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Thank you I read on another site about people who have bathed in it along with thier birds and it also said its useful for nebulizing birds. Thankyou again.

 

[noodles123]

Yeah- I have gotten it all over me. I sprayed the mix on some dry oatmeal once (like I said, I spray to wet it, wipe, then spray again). Anyway, this solution was mixed at 2 ml to 17 oz. I walked away for a minute and during this time, Noodles had managed to get to that area and was eating the soaked oatmeal when I returned. I WAS SO FREAKED OUT...but, no symptoms....that was like 2 years ago. It can be used to nebulize by a doctor who knows what he/she is doing-- yes.
I spray it near Noodles all the time (not like an inch from her...but you know, within a few feet.
Again, I wouldn't deliberately allow your bird to come into contact with it while wet (let alone ingest it) but I have A LOT of faith in it as a product safe around birds (when diluted properly etc).

Random story- I have also sprayed it in my hair after work a few times when exposed to a really nasty virus lol! It was an extreme circumstance, but I tend to touch my hair a lot, so it was a real concern (as I work very closely with kids). I am not a bird, but I have used it for quite a few years and have not grown any additional limbs thus far. Noodles is also okay so far-- not that that is the best point of reference, but between my experiences, the research and experiences of others, my confidence is quite high.

 

[SunnyTheConure]

Ok I was worried because i sprayed a tissue paper and wiped the tray then got another dry tissue to wipe the bottom of the cage and got worried thinking imagine there was some on my hands and it managed to somehow get into the food or water bowls. But I know I'm being paranoid I worry a lot.

 

[noodles123]

I am a worrier too! I like that you actually think about all of this stuff though. I think you will relax a bit after a few years. I know I have (although I am still very cautious). Being cautious is not without merit though- it saved my bird's life a few times..

They did a study with chickens and they actually added the concentrate directly to drinking water . Eventually, it did start to show up in tissue samples (with daily consumption at high levels), but that was at SUPER high concentrations and the birds were drinking it 24/7 (sad). It didn't kill any of them, but at super high concentrations (when they were drinking it daily) it did start to show in liver tissue but their muscle tissue was okay (so that makes some sense, as the liver is the detox center)...when I say super-high, I mean basically, it would be like if I filled Noodles' water dish with my f10 mix (2 oz to 17 oz) instead of water..and high in some instances. I think that is super sad that they did this to chickens....but.....given the disease in poultry farms, it may have actually saved chickens, because antibiotics certainly impact the liver and are found in muscle tissue. I am not sure how they obtained the tissue samples, but people do eat chicken, so if they were slaughtered, I guess it's a better cause than dinner. At least the F10 didn't kill them directly.

That made me feel better, as Noodles is never going to drink it like that....

I think this was one version of the study: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1053/0d3019e48c585c999b31d806d7fd3c65b1cc.pdf

Again, it is certified for no-rinse use (as long as you are using the no-rinse/non-soap variety). This means that if your hands are dry, you are okay. Obviously I wouldn't soak my hands in the diluted spray, let them dry and then dangle them in the water dish, but if that happened a few times, it would still probably be okay.

I'll never get to this point, but these "Luvs" commercials totally remind me parrot ownership to some extent (wait for the DVR part to end-sorry, it was on there-start at 18 s for video 1):

[ame="https://youtu.be/bVAY4Aurlog?t=19"]Luvs Second Kid TV commercial (2015) - YouTube[/ame]

and this

[ame="https://youtu.be/V5fJHhxnsFI"]Luvs Commercial Bath 2017 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SunnyTheConure]

I used it on a bird bath is that fine as long as I wash it tomorrow before I use it it should be fine right. Sorry if I sound paranoid or stupid.

 

[noodles123]

You don't sound paranoid or stupid. If you used it on a porous surface (like a stone bird bath) or in a non-porous container that will hold water for drinking or bathing, I would rinse it before adding water for the birds. I know it is no-rinse, but if you are adding water, the chemicals will get into that, which is why you would want to rinse something like a bath or water dish before allowing them in it.

It should be fine.

truly, I applaud your level of thought and dedication.
It REALLY is important to think about the little things, and it will get easier, but you are doing great!