Some sad news about bobby

[paulhanlon]

Well i have had to give bobby up as i had a breeder come out this morning and i have found out that he is not a he at all its a female and its a breeding female so i can't keep an untame breeding female amazon in the house but the breeder has said that he has some baby blue fronted amazons that will be ready in october and he has said that i can have one of them for bobby so in october i will be getting a 13 to 15 week old blue fronted amazon who is close rung and comes with the dna certificate and birth certificate just thought id let you all know as i said i would keep you updated.

 

[IcyWolf]

I thought things were going well? Just because she was once a breeder doesn't really mean anything, didn't you only have her like a week?

 

[paulhanlon]

She was impossible to handle no one could handle her she bit a vet and she was older than 18 months nothing i could do im new to parrots and thats the reason im getting a hand reared one from a real breeder

 

[Evanskiver]

A bird biting a vet that it does not know is in no way surprising. Parrots are not like cats or dogs that tend to obey you, they demand respect and if your lucky, you will create a respectful bond with your bird. I am curious at what her age has to do with keeping her. I have just gotten a Amazon myself last night and it bit me til I bled, but it wasn't because the bird was mean, it was because I am new and I scared her reaching past her.

While I understand that birds a difficult, please be sure your are ready to dedicate yourself to your bird. Even though she may not have been very easy to deal with, the fact that she ate out of your hand and whatnot showed that she didn't completely distrust you and that there was hope.

By all means, if I missed some part of this story then I apologize. But from what I read, your situation is you have a bird that does not fully trust you yet and this is not an un curable situation.

Also, it is possible that the bird senses your fear and now is bullying you. Of coarse you cannot hit or punish the bird, but a firm voice and a bit of solitary confinement may make a difference.

 

[paulhanlon]

Actually i did miss somthing if you understand this part the breeder when he came to get he looked at her and tried to get her from the cage he also thinks that she is a wild amazon not one to keep for a pet i didn't know this as the guy who i got her from dropped her off and then left real quick i got no papers with her she was not close rung im no pro on parrots but from what the breeder told me she was a wild amazon and i am not going to put my one year old daughter at risk of being bitten badly so there for mike the breeder took the other one and once ready i will be getting a hand reared blue fronted from him if you's want to judge me for wanting to keep my daughter safe be my guest but im only doing the right thing

 

[wenz2712]

It was only an hour ago that you posted a vid of you clicker training Bobby!! You have stated in many different posts that things were going well! To say it would have been impossible to tame her is ludicrous!

All I can say now is good luck with the next one, and do not be fooled into thinking that a Baby will bond with you.. I know this from experience.. Codie will only tolerate me and I have had her from 11 Weeks Old! She does not like Men!!

 

[paulhanlon]

Im getting a female and and im getting her at 13 to 15 weeks and im sorry like i said above im not risking my one year old daughter being bitten by her as i have said if people want to judge me so be it but im doing whats right for my little girl

 

[Evanskiver]

It sounds to me that you just gave a breeder a female. He told you a story and you bought it.

If that bird ate from your hand and allowed you to start training it, the wild bird idea is not reasonable. If it ate from your hand, it was tameable.

While I understand that you have a younger child, I feel you should have concidered that prior to getting this bird. If you do not feel safe with this Amazon, I doubt you will feel better about a baby. All birds can be tempermental and all birds can bite. My Alex I have had for a year now still gets mad, while she will not bite me to hurt me she still makes a gesture at times.

Please concider very carefully why you want a bird and weigh the pros and cons before picking up your baby bird. Parrots should not be around a child that small regardless of how much you trust them. So perhaps you should wait until your child is old enough to fend for themself in the case of an incident.

 

[paulhanlon]

Well im sorry you feel that way but the guy i delt with today is a licenced breeder he has breeded birds for 60 plus years and he is a really good friend of my grandad it was my grandad who recomended him to me and regardless of what anyone says i am getting my baby blue fronted and it i will train it also she will be use to my daughter as she will be brought up around her my brother has a 2 year old macaw and it was raised around his little son and there both very close so if my brother could do that with his macaw when it was a baby im sure i can do the same with my baby amazon around my daughter

 

[Evanskiver]

I wish you the best of luck Sir, for you and your future bird.

 

[dishgal1]

I agree with almost everything here. If you have a young child you should not even consider a parrot of anykind. Even though the bird may not attack the child without provocation a one year old child does not know to stay away from the cage or the bird. She could lose a finger or worse. I think you should reconsider until the child is older.

 

[paulhanlon]

I don't need to reconsider anything the parrot will be in my bedroom and the little one is far to small to reach the handle the only time my child is aloud in my room is when supervised by me

 

[suebee]

its not a case of we are judging you, but getting a parrot will never be how you picture it, if your lucky, it is, but even now with the nut, i watch her like a hawk when my grandaughters about, in fact she is only let out briefly

there is nothing to say this baby won't attack your daughter when it grows and these attacks can happen at anytime, especially when they get hormonal

always remember these birds no matter how tame, are wild at heart an creatures of instinct, even the hand reared ones.
nut took an amazing amount of, blood, time and patiance and family involvement, to get to where we are now

your really doing the breeder a favour as this means he can increase his output, with getting another breeding female, and if his breed for 60yrs, his soon heading for the retirement/nursing home, so whats going to happen to all his birds??

you might be opening an whole new can of worms, its always better the devil you know

 

[lizardsmells]

Actually i did miss somthing if you understand this part the breeder when he came to get he looked at her and tried to get her from the cage he also thinks that she is a wild amazon not one to keep for a pet i didn't know this as the guy who i got her from dropped her off and then left real quick i got no papers with her she was not close rung im no pro on parrots but from what the breeder told me she was a wild amazon and i am not going to put my one year old daughter at risk of being bitten badly so there for mike the breeder took the other one and once ready i will be getting a hand reared blue fronted from him if you's want to judge me for wanting to keep my daughter safe be my guest but im only doing the right thing

Any parrot is going to bite. It doesn't matter if it's a hand reared baby or wild caught bird, they're all wild animals and they will all bite at some point and probably a lot more than once. If you're truly worried about your daughter's safety DO NOT GET ANOTHER PARROT. Parrots are not 'safe' pets. No matter what the breeder says, hand reared babies don't mean you're not going to get bit or get a parrot who's not stubborn or won't do what you want when you want.

I think you guys might be better off with a budgie or a cockatiel. All the fun of a parrot, but domesticated.

 

[lizardsmells]

I don't need to reconsider anything the parrot will be in my bedroom and the little one is far to small to reach the handle the only time my child is aloud in my room is when supervised by me

If this is the case then why was Bobby a danger again? If she's never alone with him I don't see what the issue is. Unless the real issue here is that you think a baby will be easier to tame, in which case you're in for some disappointment. Taming is just earning trust, and it takes the same amount of time and patience no matter the bird's age. Plus just wait till adolesence hits and those hormones go nuts. It won't matter if you've hand fed it and cuddled it every day, that bird will turn into a monster and you don't seem like the type of person to be prepared for that.

Please reconsider a parrot. It really doesn't seem like the right pet for you at this time.

 

[paulhanlon]

I thank you for that and i know we will be just fine

 

[paulhanlon]

I don't need to reconsider anything the parrot will be in my bedroom and the little one is far to small to reach the handle the only time my child is aloud in my room is when supervised by me

If this is the case then why was Bobby a danger again? If she's never alone with him I don't see what the issue is. Unless the real issue here is that you think a baby will be easier to tame, in which case you're in for some disappointment. Taming is just earning trust, and it takes the same amount of time and patience no matter the bird's age. Plus just wait till adolesence hits and those hormones go nuts. It won't matter if you've hand fed it and cuddled it every day, that bird will turn into a monster and you don't seem like the type of person to be prepared for that.

Please reconsider a parrot. It really doesn't seem like the right pet for you at this time.

If thats the case then my mams senegal must not trust my mam yet aswell we have only had her a few weeks and shes 16 weeks old goes everywhere with her dose not bite and loves the kids so yeah i know babys are easyer and im not going into it no more i have made up my mind and its staying that way

 

[Evanskiver]

If and when the new bird becomes un-tameable, please be sure to find someone that has a parrot and is prepared to take care of it, not a breeder. Other then that, good luck. Your arguement is about equivilent as saying you played a flight simulation game and now you can fly a jet.

I hope everything works out as you hope because I would hate to see another abandoned parrot due to false hopes.

 

[lizardsmells]

Unfortunately it looks like it'll be another case of yet another amazon given up because 'it used to be so sweet, then it just got mean' because no one wants to believe that cute baby will ever turn into a monster. Until it happens, and then they give it up because, "it's not tame anymore' or 'it suddenly hates us all' or 'it suddenly got mean'.

Yep, I see it all the time at the rescue. We have an amazing number of amazons who are either at that hormonal stage or just getting over it and it's because people think that baby will always be sweet and cuddly. It's so sad to see an animal given up before it's even given a fair chance. So sad. But it happens every day. All we can ever do is try to educate, and most of the time we're not successful because protecting that ego is always more important than protecting the animal they couldn't live without.

 

[terry52449]

I tamed a wild cockatoo years ago and if that bird was eating from your hand it was very tameable. People with babies in the house should not have parrots in the house. This is an accident waiting to happen. It could be at the cost of your childs eye. This is serious business and should not be taken lightly. I love parrots but I also respect them and that is how you will create a bond with your bird. Forcing a relationship will not work.