Red African Grey

[ScottRoberts]

Hey All,
Have any of you seen this before? I find it fascinating.

Red African Grey - Red African Grey

 

[congobongo]

I have a Green Winged who actually has one long pink wing feather. I also have a CAG. Honestly I am not a big fan of trying to breed them into different mutated colors. I say let nature take it's natural course. If we want a pink bird well then get a pink flamingo or rose cockatoo! It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature.

 

[ScottRoberts]

I have a Green Winged who actually has one long pink wing feather. I also have a CAG. Honestly I am not a big fan of trying to breed them into different mutated colors. I say let nature take it's natural course. If we want a pink bird well then get a pink flamingo or rose cockatoo! It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature.

I agree! I have 2 Grey's and wouldn't have them any other way I just find it interesting from a scientific point.

 

[Spiritbird]

Many people have greys with red feathers here and there but not like these guys. As said it is just a way to charge more $$$ and people will pay it because it is different.

 

[Pearl]

Ive seen these guys before. Its basically an albinism gene I think. Just removes the gray pigment to show the red underneath. Very interesting!

 

[Zazusmommy]

eclectus have some competition now! haha! hopefully the color mutation only affects color.

 

[sssaucey]

I think the all red makes them look ugly, it's not a very vibrant red like a regular grey's tail it's washed out and almost pink. I don't think the eclectus has much competition coming from these birds haha

 

[Steph2717]

Just wait! We live in the world of "cocadoodles", "blabadors" plus a maze of other strange new dog breeds... next they will start on the bird world... we'll end up with Eclectogreys, or Cocagreys. LOL... seriously, scientifically, yes it is interesting.

 

[sabrecat666]

Just wait! We live in the world of "cocadoodles", "blabadors" plus a maze of other strange new dog breeds... next they will start on the bird world... we'll end up with Eclectogreys, or Cocagreys. LOL... seriously, scientifically, yes it is interesting.

Is that even possible though ? I didnt think that the various species of parrots were closely enough related to interbreed.

Could you imagine the holy terror of a MaCawkatoo ?!?!?

 

[sssaucey]

That would be one scary bird haha

 

[ann]

lol that would be huge! imagine a cockazon!

 

[CRASH_CONURE]

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they look great

 

[CRASH_CONURE]

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the next part i think.

 

[Hochimama]

Since we have red Grey .. does anyone seen an albino Grey before ?

 

[roxynoodle]

People have breed different colors into animals forever. You hardly ever see any domestic mice or rats that are brown anymore. I haven't seen a normal Golden hamster in a pet store in a long time either.

Most of our domestic dog breeds are a long way from looking or acting like a wolf even though technically they have the same DNA. And I think most people are glad for that

As for birds, I think they are all pretty the way they are. And yes, my understanding is that most species can't cross breed. I was talking with a breeder a few weeks ago about possibly obtaining a new Blue Crown conure. She had a male and a female and told me I should take the female since my Nanday is female. She further commented "unless you want to breed hybrid conures." To my knowledge though Nandays and BCs can't cross I do know Nandays can cross with Suns and Jendays though.

 

[IcyWolf]

People have breed different colors into animals forever. You hardly ever see any domestic mice or rats that are brown anymore. I haven't seen a normal Golden hamster in a pet store in a long time either.

Most of our domestic dog breeds are a long way from looking or acting like a wolf even though technically they have the same DNA. And I think most people are glad for that

As for birds, I think they are all pretty the way they are. And yes, my understanding is that most species can't cross breed. I was talking with a breeder a few weeks ago about possibly obtaining a new Blue Crown conure. She had a male and a female and told me I should take the female since my Nanday is female. She further commented "unless you want to breed hybrid conures." To my knowledge though Nandays and BCs can't cross I do know Nandays can cross with Suns and Jendays though.

I'm not sure but I found this picture of a BCC x SC hybrid.... Sun Blue Crown Conure Hybrid Photos from Birds of a Different Feather (Birds of a Different Feather) on Myspace
if a bcc and a sc can breed, I would assume that a bcc and a nanday could as well.

 

[have24paws]

i agree with the fact that it is very interesting from a scientific view, but in reality, i dont find the bird all that attractive. the colors are very faded out and no where near as distinct or red as a regular cag. i would like to see one in person but wouldnt ever purchase one.....

 

[Amber]

Could you imagine the holy terror of a MaCawkatoo ?!?!?

No thanks! I know people with both species and combined... That would be one monster to care for!


Hybridisation is common in captivity and even in some cases the wild between closely related species. Sun x Jenday crosses (Arguably though they and the gold cap are variations of the same species anyway, so this probably is not a hybrid as per se) occur in captivity and even are documented in the wild. Their are cases of wild bred hybrid macaws (in particular catalinas where the species range of the BG and Scarlet overlap), and here (Like, right out in my backyard) there is a wild flock of little corellas and gallahs that are known to hybridise quite frequently. In the case of the galah hybrids, they are fertile and almost every corrella has some % of gallah blood and vice versa. Scientists hypothesise they may, eventually through hybridisation and natural pressure on these 'new' birds (over hundreds of years) emerge as a separate species. neat, huh? Fossil records show similar happenings where two similar species have a range that overlaps, after all!

I won't get to far into it and the ethics that surrounds it, because I certainly do not approve of intentionally mass producing hybrids (along with any irresponsible breeding) but when it does happen it is fascinating and helps to show the genetic links between species, and helps us understand speciesation (splitting and divergence of one species into new ones, like when a small parrot population gets swept up in a storm, settles in a new location and over time adapts and slowly emerges as a new species while their parent species may evolve down a different path, or even stay relatively unchanged) further.

Some hybrids are belived to be healthier then their parent species and make better pets (Catalina macaws in particular) while others (interspecies lovebird crossings, etc) have difficult natures and conflicting hormones and breeding patterns that can make them miserable and hard to keep. If the parents are similar and don't give their offspring conflicting genes, usually all is well, but some species are too different, and their chick get conflicting behaviours ingrained in their genes and double hormone surges and other things that make life not as good for them as a 'pure' individual. It's fascinating and sometimes even sad to research!

 

[roxynoodle]

People have breed different colors into animals forever. You hardly ever see any domestic mice or rats that are brown anymore. I haven't seen a normal Golden hamster in a pet store in a long time either.

Most of our domestic dog breeds are a long way from looking or acting like a wolf even though technically they have the same DNA. And I think most people are glad for that

As for birds, I think they are all pretty the way they are. And yes, my understanding is that most species can't cross breed. I was talking with a breeder a few weeks ago about possibly obtaining a new Blue Crown conure. She had a male and a female and told me I should take the female since my Nanday is female. She further commented "unless you want to breed hybrid conures." To my knowledge though Nandays and BCs can't cross I do know Nandays can cross with Suns and Jendays though.

I'm not sure but I found this picture of a BCC x SC hybrid.... Sun Blue Crown Conure Hybrid Photos from Birds of a Different Feather (Birds of a Different Feather) on Myspace
if a bcc and a sc can breed, I would assume that a bcc and a nanday could as well.

That is interesting! I can definitely see attributes of both species in that bird. Perhaps we are now learning about more hybridization than what we used to know. I will bear this in mind with any future conures I may own. All those years ago when I first obtained the BC, I figured it didn't matter which gender it turned out to be, but I had 2 female conures.

I did used to joke that together they would be the perfect bird!