Pyro is mad at me

[SunMommy]

I took Pyro to the vet today and had his wings clipped. He was getting too sassy and independent with wings. The vet actually thinks its best for pet birds to be clipped. He wont come out of his cage though. He is all the way in the back of the cage sitting on his bed. He is screaming too and this is out of character for him. Poor little guy. I feel kinda bad for doing this to him, but I know it is for the best. I can always let them come back in, if I want to.

 

[Pedro]

I took Pyro to the vet today and had his wings clipped. He was getting too sassy and independent with wings. The vet actually thinks its best for pet birds to be clipped. He wont come out of his cage though. He is all the way in the back of the cage sitting on his bed. He is screaming too and this is out of character for him. Poor little guy. I feel kinda bad for doing this to him, but I know it is for the best. I can always let them come back in, if I want to.

Don't worry I doubt very much he is mad at you, but he maybe stressed from the whole ordeal. If he won't come of the cage don't try to catch him that will only make him more stressed & scared of your hands, open the door & let Pyro come out by himself. Once he is out of the cage ask him to step up. I am sure he will settle quickly. Its most important that you treat him as normal as possible.

Honestly with all the wing clips i have done I have never had a bird be mad at me. But they do get stressed for a few hours.

 

[SunMommy]

I took Pyro to the vet today and had his wings clipped. He was getting too sassy and independent with wings. The vet actually thinks its best for pet birds to be clipped. He wont come out of his cage though. He is all the way in the back of the cage sitting on his bed. He is screaming too and this is out of character for him. Poor little guy. I feel kinda bad for doing this to him, but I know it is for the best. I can always let them come back in, if I want to.

Don't worry I doubt very much he is mad at you, but he maybe stressed from the whole ordeal. If he won't come of the cage don't try to catch him that will only make him more stressed & scared of your hands, open the door & let Pyro come out by himself. Once he is out of the cage ask him to step up. I am sure he will settle quickly. Its most important that you treat him as normal as possible.

Honestly with all the wing clips i have done I have never had a bird be mad at me. But they do get stressed for a few hours.

Pedro, you always give the best guidance. It took a few hours, but Pyro did come out of his cage. He doesn't know he cant fly yet and keeps trying to take off. He makes it about two feet away on his way to the floor. Then he gets this look like, "what the heck!?" Then he stands there and flaps like he's trying to go somewhere. I know it will take him a while to stop doing this. It seems like flying is his goal and he just keeps trying. Poor little guy.

 

[Bobioden]

It is actually not out of character for a Sun Conure to Scream. That is what they do. If you had one that did not scream THAT would be out of character.

 

[Pedro]

It is actually not out of character for a Sun Conure to Scream. That is what they do. If you had one that did not scream THAT would be out of character.

You know you can have a quite sun conure, you just need to train it not to scream. It's very easy as well, you just don't reinforce any screaming behavior from a very early age. I have 5 sun conures, apart from the normal contact call from time to time my conures are very well behaved.

 

[Tammy]

I got my OWA's wings done on Monday for the first time. It took him a day or two but now he's behaving much better & not lunging for the kids & being patient. I was very concerned about his flying attempts as he has been fully flighted for his whole life. He's found that he's just as good a climber.

He sleeps on the ceiling fan above my bed. So now, he climbs from the headboard to my head then walks to the middle of the bed. He looks at the fan, looks at me, then looks at the fan again & I know he's ready for bed & lift him up.

I'm really considering keeping them clipped. I would love to take him outside all summer without having to harness him.

 

[SunMommy]

It is actually not out of character for a Sun Conure to Scream. That is what they do. If you had one that did not scream THAT would be out of character.

I know they scream, but he doesn't normally scream. He is actually VERY quite for a conure. He only gets a little loud when the sun goes down and that's it. What he was doing today was different from his previous behavior, but I think he was stressed.

 

[SunMommy]

I got my OWA's wings done on Monday for the first time. It took him a day or two but now he's behaving much better & not lunging for the kids & being patient. I was very concerned about his flying attempts as he has been fully flighted for his whole life. He's found that he's just as good a climber.

He sleeps on the ceiling fan above my bed. So now, he climbs from the headboard to my head then walks to the middle of the bed. He looks at the fan, looks at me, then looks at the fan again & I know he's ready for bed & lift him up.

I'm really considering keeping them clipped. I would love to take him outside all summer without having to harness him.

I'm hoping it wont take him very long to realize he can't fly anymore. I'm just worried for his safety. I can usually tell now when he's getting ready to take a plunge (that's what it is now). I try to figure out where it is he wants to go and I take him there. I dont regret getting his wings clipped. I know its best for him. It affected him more than I thought it would. I think part of it was being gone from home for 4 hours today and the car ride. The vet office is 1 hour from my house. There was really bad traffic and I was 30 minutes late for the appointment (due to the UofM football traffic that I didn't anticipate). Then they had to squeeze me in and didn't get to me right away. It ended up being a long day for Pyro.

 

[Neravas]

It is actually not out of character for a Sun Conure to Scream. That is what they do. If you had one that did not scream THAT would be out of character.

You know you can have a quite sun conure, you just need to train it not to scream. It's very easy as well, you just don't reinforce any screaming behavior from a very early age. I have 5 sun conures, apart from the normal contact call from time to time my conures are very well behaved.

my sun conure was only loud in the mornings when he heard us getting out of bed. (and when he heard us pull in the driveway.) but other than that really quiet. Now my tiel on the other hand, loudest mofo ever, and so shrill. cant stand it

 

[Ash]

When I got my Alexandrine wings clipped (at the vet), he became very cuddly towards me. He tried to fly once and learned from the experience that he couldn't fly anymore.

I hope Pyro realizes he can't fly anymore. I dont like see birds falling to the ground, but im sure he will learn soon.

I don't know if i'll keep his wings clipped or not, I wont be getting them done at that vet clinic again. They did a horrible job D:
I also got his claws clipped, which they made him bleed.
I guess that's why he loved me afterwards, for saving him from that place.

 

[Mamanda]

my sun conure was only loud in the mornings when he heard us getting out of bed. (and when he heard us pull in the driveway.) but other than that really quiet. Now my tiel on the other hand, loudest mofo ever, and so shrill. cant stand it

My GCC has nothing on my tiel ...who is SHRILL as well!! Killer!

 

[lene1949]

I'm really sad you felt he was too 'sassy and independent' at 11 weeks, that you felt you had to clip his wings... Parrots should ideally be allowed to fly for at least 2 months to develop their technique, taking off, landing, turning, hovering etc... It's much harder for them to learn later in life, and because they're stronger, there are more risks of accidents, like flying into a wall, window etc...

I have wanted to clip Max's wings many times, but I really love those beautiful wings, and I love to watch him fly... Max is an independent bird, and that's how I like him.. He has now leaned to come when he's called (fly to my arm), and he gets at treat, when he goes into his cage...

 

[SunMommy]

I'm really sad you felt he was too 'sassy and independent' at 11 weeks, that you felt you had to clip his wings... Parrots should ideally be allowed to fly for at least 2 months to develop their technique, taking off, landing, turning, hovering etc... It's much harder for them to learn later in life, and because they're stronger, there are more risks of accidents, like flying into a wall, window etc...

I have wanted to clip Max's wings many times, but I really love those beautiful wings, and I love to watch him fly... Max is an independent bird, and that's how I like him.. He has now leaned to come when he's called (fly to my arm), and he gets at treat, when he goes into his cage...

Being that Pyro is 11 weeks old, he is more than two months old. I am not the only person in this household and in order to keep the peace, I have to take my husband's wishes into consideration. He wanted Pyro clipped and I did not. After talking to my avian vet (who is pro clipping), I made my decision. My avian vet breeds love birds and keeps many birds as pets. She has lots of experience and I do not. I have to trust her expertize. The good thing about clipping is that it is never permanent. Right now this is safest for Pyro. I have 3 cats, two fish tanks, two ceiling fans and two children. I work a full time job and so does my husband. We work opposite shifts so someone is always home with the children and with Pyro. When I am not home, I do not know that people will be as careful as I am. I was always worrying that one of my kids would turn a ceiling fan on when I wasn't home or leave a door open to a room that has a fish tank. This will give my family time to adjust and keep pyro safe. Trust me, clipping his wings was hard for me to do. But I do not regret it. I am happy that you have gotten to keep your birds fully flighted. More power to you and many props. That's really cool that your bird is so independent. I kinda want a bird that depends on me though.

 

[SunMommy]

I hope Pyro realizes he can't fly anymore. I dont like see birds falling to the ground, but im sure he will learn soon.

Pyro doesn't fall to the ground, thank goodness. He has what's called a tuxedo clip. This allows him to coast. When he takes a plunge now, he coasts for about two feet until he lands. He isn't as graceful at this as he was at flying and I think that is because he cant judge so much where he is going to land anymore. I really didnt want him to be clipped so much that he would fall verses being able to land safely. There is a pet store near me with a sun conure and that poor bird has been clipped pretty short. I've seen that bird fall and fall hard. His tail feathers are all broken and all his other feathers are scruffy. I really feel bad for the little guy. After one day of Pyro relearning how to get around, he is getting the hang of things and with no broken feathers.

 

[Pedro]

Clipping is a decision each & everyone of us never make lightly. It is such a personal part of parrot ownership. If that decision is made due to the circumstances of the household then i think we don't need all the opinions of others to make us feel guilty for making that decision. I don't see why SunMommy needs to justify herself.

I to love to see a bird fly but if a client buys a parrot from me & wants it's wings clipped i would rather i do it than someone else butcher it. In all my years i have never had a parrot turn neurotic because of a gentle wing clip. In most cases it turns a parrot with attitude to a sweet little bird. It's the poor birds that are clipped by people that don't have a clue how to do it properly.

What's more I really don't know where some get the idea that a bird has to learn to fly all over again once the wings start to grow out. Only recently my 12 month old Eclectus escaped his cage. He was clipped but i decided to let his wings grow out. He had 2 flight feathers growing on each wing. Well he took off & had a fun 7 hours flying around before i caught him. Although he couldn't get height, never the less he could fly a fair distance.

The companion parrots i have with wing clips are the ones that enjoy each afternoon outdoors with us wandering around the garden. Otherwise they would be cooped up indoors. I could not have them out if I didn't clip them. No they are not harness trained either.

That's my opinion.

 

[ann]

I got my OWA's wings done on Monday for the first time. It took him a day or two but now he's behaving much better & not lunging for the kids & being patient. I was very concerned about his flying attempts as he has been fully flighted for his whole life. He's found that he's just as good a climber.

He sleeps on the ceiling fan above my bed. So now, he climbs from the headboard to my head then walks to the middle of the bed. He looks at the fan, looks at me, then looks at the fan again & I know he's ready for bed & lift him up.

I'm really considering keeping them clipped. I would love to take him outside all summer without having to harness him.

even if they are clipped, it just takes one gust of wind for them to take off, that happened to a breeders quaker parrot. IMO you shuld harness him when he's outside just to be on the safe side

 

[lene1949]

Being that Pyro is 11 weeks old, he is more than two months old. I am not the only person in this household and in order to keep the peace, I have to take my husband's wishes into consideration. He wanted Pyro clipped and I did not. After talking to my avian vet (who is pro clipping), I made my decision. My avian vet breeds love birds and keeps many birds as pets. She has lots of experience and I do not. I have to trust her expertize. The good thing about clipping is that it is never permanent. Right now this is safest for Pyro. I have 3 cats, two fish tanks, two ceiling fans and two children. I work a full time job and so does my husband. We work opposite shifts so someone is always home with the children and with Pyro. When I am not home, I do not know that people will be as careful as I am. I was always worrying that one of my kids would turn a ceiling fan on when I wasn't home or leave a door open to a room that has a fish tank. This will give my family time to adjust and keep pyro safe. Trust me, clipping his wings was hard for me to do. But I do not regret it. I am happy that you have gotten to keep your birds fully flighted. More power to you and many props. That's really cool that your bird is so independent. I kinda want a bird that depends on me though.

I'm sorry that I was a bit ahead of myself... Clipping for safety is good, and I can see it was the best for your Pyro... I'm not against clipping, and I have threatened Max with it many times...

I have a cockatiel, which I keep clipped for safety reasons... I work with intellectually disabled people, and I take Tiko to work with me... so he's sort of a therapy bird... the doors are often left open, and the other reason for clipping is that I like him to stay with the person and not fly to me.

 

[SunMommy]

Being that Pyro is 11 weeks old, he is more than two months old. I am not the only person in this household and in order to keep the peace, I have to take my husband's wishes into consideration. He wanted Pyro clipped and I did not. After talking to my avian vet (who is pro clipping), I made my decision. My avian vet breeds love birds and keeps many birds as pets. She has lots of experience and I do not. I have to trust her expertize. The good thing about clipping is that it is never permanent. Right now this is safest for Pyro. I have 3 cats, two fish tanks, two ceiling fans and two children. I work a full time job and so does my husband. We work opposite shifts so someone is always home with the children and with Pyro. When I am not home, I do not know that people will be as careful as I am. I was always worrying that one of my kids would turn a ceiling fan on when I wasn't home or leave a door open to a room that has a fish tank. This will give my family time to adjust and keep pyro safe. Trust me, clipping his wings was hard for me to do. But I do not regret it. I am happy that you have gotten to keep your birds fully flighted. More power to you and many props. That's really cool that your bird is so independent. I kinda want a bird that depends on me though.

I'm sorry that I was a bit ahead of myself... Clipping for safety is good, and I can see it was the best for your Pyro... I'm not against clipping, and I have threatened Max with it many times...

I have a cockatiel, which I keep clipped for safety reasons... I work with intellectually disabled people, and I take Tiko to work with me... so he's sort of a therapy bird... the doors are often left open, and the other reason for clipping is that I like him to stay with the person and not fly to me.

I wanted to try keeping him flighted. That's why I had him sent to me from the breeder with his flight feathers intact. I loved that he would fly to me or to his cage, but he was becoming adventurous and would not always listen. This is best for him for now. Once we have fully bonded, established more trust and he is trained, I will most likely let his feathers come back in. It's not just him that needs to be trained though, my family needs to be trained for his safety.

 

[Lacey]

Clipping is a decision each & everyone of us never make lightly. It is such a personal part of parrot ownership. If that decision is made due to the circumstances of the household then i think we don't need all the opinions of others to make us feel guilty for making that decision. I don't see why SunMommy needs to justify herself.

I to love to see a bird fly but if a client buys a parrot from me & wants it's wings clipped i would rather i do it than someone else butcher it. In all my years i have never had a parrot turn neurotic because of a gentle wing clip. In most cases it turns a parrot with attitude to a sweet little bird. It's the poor birds that are clipped by people that don't have a clue how to do it properly.

What's more I really don't know where some get the idea that a bird has to learn to fly all over again once the wings start to grow out. Only recently my 12 month old Eclectus escaped his cage. He was clipped but i decided to let his wings grow out. He had 2 flight feathers growing on each wing. Well he took off & had a fun 7 hours flying around before i caught him. Although he couldn't get height, never the less he could fly a fair distance.

The companion parrots i have with wing clips are the ones that enjoy each afternoon outdoors with us wandering around the garden. Otherwise they would be cooped up indoors. I could not have them out if I didn't clip them. No they are not harness trained either.

That's my opinion.

I agree 100%. It is definately a personal choice, but I do have a question as I have had mixed feed back. Reno came to me with either broken or clipped wing feathers. They looked terrible, but I want him to be as natural as possible. Is it hazardous to allow him to be fully flighted since he has never had the capatability?

 

[lene1949]

I agree 100%. It is definately a personal choice, but I do have a question as I have had mixed feed back. Reno came to me with either broken or clipped wing feathers. They looked terrible, but I want him to be as natural as possible. Is it hazardous to allow him to be fully flighted since he has never had the capatability?

If he's never learned to fly, he probably never will... So I've read... Some people clip their birds before fledging, and if that's the case, the wings on an adult bird will be strong, and accidents can happen, if they learn to fly... but.. they can also be avoided.

Another hazard for flighted birds are open doors, so if you have kids or people coming and going, it's probably better to clip...

Then there's the ceiling fan, as SunMommy mentioned... I've seen a kitchen ceiling fan full of baby green cheeks while it was going at a slow speed... It looked very cute, but you could certainly see the danger in that...

I live alone with just my dog and the birds... No one comes here without me knowing about it, and no one just walks in - my doors are always locked... Ben, the dog, either goes outside or into his crate, when my birds are out... I have no ceiling fans (I have cathedral ceiling) so Max can fly up high...

I lost Cory, my Corella, once... He was clipped, but taken by a gust of wind... I did find him a week later, and promised myself if I ever should loose a bird again, it would have to be able to fly... So.. that's another reason Max is flighted... Another thing with a bird flighted in the house, is that it's already used to the house's boundaries, like windows, so it's less likely to fly out an open door...

Clipping is a personal choice (your choice - not the bird's), and it will solely depend on your circumstances...