puppies!

[Owlet]

So, we have this dog, Maizie, she's super nice and I love her to bits. She's not entirely our dog though. We are guardians for her meaning the breeder we got her from still half owns her and can use her for breedings. After a certain amount of litters or after a certain amount of years she's 100% ours though and well, we love our dog and wouldn't trade her for the world but we really regret doing this. Overall it kind of sucks but I love seeing the puppies. Maizie gave birth at 1am Monday night so the pups are only a couple days old but they're SO cute. My dad and I went to go visit her today (she stays at the breeders the last 2 weeks of pregnancy and till pups are weaned) and she was so happy to see us, she's such a cry baby.

Here are all the pictures and a couple videos I took.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=19Ozvq3ylIRKpX5mp9dadlRHy--bGBVVy

 

[Laurasea]

A certain Amount of litteres!!!!! Grrr!!! I I'd say one and done!!!! At most two!!! Anymore and than that I would consider they breeder a puppy mill!!!!! I'd be willing to test it in a court of law.. sorry that really burns me up. What a great deal fir the breeder,..... But the pups are cute! Abd your girl is loved and cared for. I would sure try and get out if that deal though , I'd see if my vet would recommend that more litteres aren't good for her, and the risk if later in life mammery tumers was to high and get her spayed....Does the breeder plan on paying for her spay when he is done useing her??? I know you are not responsible for this, andvyiu aren't happy with it either. And I know you are a great kind person. I just had to rant that makes me so upset...

 

[Terry57]

That must be so difficult for both you & Maizie! How much longer before she is completely yours?
The puppies are really adorable., and Maizie is gorgeous!

 

[Inger]

Oh my gosh those puppies are so fat and cute!! Thanks for sharing the pics. And Maizie is gorgeous.


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[Owlet]

yeah we didn't really know what we were getting into but are more educated now and kinda eh about it :/ anyways i believe it's 4 litters or 5 years. This is her 2nd litter and she is 3 years old. Honestly I don't think they're gonna breed her again. She's a good mom and all but she gets weird and sometimes doesn't wanna eat (sometimes it's a struggle to get her to eat in general even though she's perfectly healthy according to numerous vet checks.) I don't think it's really a puppy mill. The dogs are treated really well and she breeds for temperament and health but I'm not a huge fan of how guardianship is being managed. I'm not sure if the breeder pays for the spay or not, I assume she does but my mom handled all the terms and what not so I'm not very familiar with ALL the details. Breeder also pays for all vet bills and helps with discounted food (we feed the food to other dog too so we gotta take some responsibility for that)

We want to discuss with the breeder about just paying her off and making her completely ours because we are tired of this and rather just pay an extra lump of cash and not have to worry about it anymore.

hopefully more pictures to come as the pups get bigger.

 

[Owlet]

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=149dDLmX1EbrF0YBOVC_C-osUu_Wf7tm0

Here are some other misc pictures of her I have on my phone. couple are from her other litter too. Some with my other 2 dogs (Bandit and Persephone. Both black doodles so good luck telling them apart lol)

 

[Owlet]

I also have a good handful of videos of her from when she was a pup too if any of you are interested

 

[ChristaNL]

Hahaha, what do mean IF we are interested?
Puppies!!
Cute dogs!!

How can I say no to that?

Your furry friends look amazing (you are good at making the extra-cute pictures btw).


Apart the ethical-whosnames of your situation- thanks for telling about it.
It is a new one for me. (I love hearing about new things.)

Lend someone a dog to take care of and love and let them pay in puppies .. sounds like a great deal to me (from the breeders point of vieuw). Forcing people to breed dogs for you is a puppymill done a lot better than usual (the individual dogs have far better lives, so that is great!), but still - that person is milking out every female pup he/she had ever bred.
Maybe get this to the authorites?

Not that they would care...the individual dogs are doing fine apart from the forced pregnancies (and nobody cares about that - animals breed, right?) but you tried..
But is a *very* clever way of having/ running a breedingfacility -and never the exeed the maximum of dogs you are allowed to have or get noticed in any other way.


And if you love to have a dog but cannot afford an expensive puppy- it may not look as such a bad deal anyway.

 

[Owlet]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgpdoWtgwbBUGJ0KMj6a5G_uYQabe8znu

here's a playlist with a bunch of the videos. Most of them are when she was small but a couple when she was full grown. At one point the videos really slowed down because I had gotten Lincoln and was more focused on him x)

 

[itzjbean]

Oh, puppies!!!! SO adorable.

This is called 'co-ownership' and is pretty common in the breeding/show dog world.

I agree the terms of her breeding are strange, I couldn't imagine having a dog and bonding with her and then occasionally breeding her, just seems like it would be very confusing for your girl, and then having to go to the breeder's house to have puppies and wean them in a strange place away from her real family. No wonder she has some trouble eating.

But that's where my Doberman came from, a co-owned girl that was bred to a boy on their site, and then she came to the breeder's house to have and wean pups, and then I got my Zuko!

Typically puppy mills keep the mama dogs in nasty kennels and pump out something like 10 litters in the first 5 years. Not good. 4 litters or 5 years is typical for the show dog world, they earn points and get titles early, then breed when they reach maturity until that age they can retire, 5-6 years.

 

[Owlet]

She does go down to the breeders house for a "sleepover" every now and again so it's not completely a new place to her, but again she doesn't really eat at home either. When she does go down we try to bring reminders of home. Right now she has a blanket in the welping box that bandit wore for a couple days so it was covered in his scent (Bandit is the big black dog she is cuddled up to in pictures)

 

[ChristaNL]

Thank you for the playlist!
Tomorrow morning I will have puppies for breakfast (eh .. -entertainment I mean).
Great start of the day!

 

[Owlet]

Some new pictures were posted! I don't know about you all, but I love the blue collared boy.

 

[ChristaNL]

Wow, you just made my breakfast-browsing a whole lot better.

 

[itzjbean]

Soooo cute omg !

 

[Flboy]

Beautiful! Cuteness overload! That welping box is great! What is the reason for the shelves near the bottom? If your not sure, can you ask?

 

[Owlet]

Beautiful! Cuteness overload! That welping box is great! What is the reason for the shelves near the bottom? If your not sure, can you ask?

Yeah, I can ask next time I go visit. My guess is maybe somewhere the pups can feel covered when mama isn't around? But I don't know if domestic dogs seek that kind of security when they're pups. Might also be to help keep the pups in once they start to get more explorative but not yet big enough to leave the welping box.

 

[EllenD]

Wow, I've never heard of this kind of arrangement before for buying a pure-bred dog...That's very odd, and I mean odd for a "breeder" to make that arrangement with someone, simply because then the breeder doesn't have control over anything that happens with the mother, such as diet, training, health, etc. I'm not saying that you're not doing everything you're supposed to, but that many people in this arrangement wouldn't, and the breeder wouldn't know anything that was going on with the dog. And does the breeder tell the buyers of the puppies about this? Just a weird situation for a breeder to enter into overall...and a pain for you guys I'm sure.

I wouldn't be able to handle that arrangement at all, not only getting my dog pregnant once a year for the first 5 years of her life, but also handing her over to someone while she's pregnant and when she actually goes through birth. That sucks...

They are adorable puppies and your dog is beautiful though, but yeah, if you guys are able to just pay-off whatever the balance on her is, that's exactly what I would do asap, if for no other reason than saving her from having to go through 2-3 more pregnancies. Every time a female dog is bred and the longer a female dog keeps her reproductive organs and isn't spayed, the higher her chance for developing all types of cancers is, in particular mammary cancers. Female breeder dogs develop mammary cancers at an enormously high rate, that's the #1 problem they see whenever they seize dogs from puppy mills, that every female breeder dog is riddled with mammary growths/tumors. So the quicker you can get her out of that contract and get her spayed, the better for everyone, especially her...

(Unfortunately I live right smack-dab in the middle of puppy-mill USA; the Amish population around State College is only trumped by that of Lancaster and Reading, which are only 2 hours away; there are puppy mills EVERYWHERE here, and you constantly hear about them being shut-down, usually by the SPCA and Humane Society out of Philly, thank God)

 

[Owlet]

Wow, I've never heard of this kind of arrangement before for buying a pure-bred dog...That's very odd, and I mean odd for a "breeder" to make that arrangement with someone, simply because then the breeder doesn't have control over anything that happens with the mother, such as diet, training, health, etc. I'm not saying that you're not doing everything you're supposed to, but that many people in this arrangement wouldn't, and the breeder wouldn't know anything that was going on with the dog. And does the breeder tell the buyers of the puppies about this? Just a weird situation for a breeder to enter into overall...and a pain for you guys I'm sure.

Yeah, buyers are aware of the situation and all guardian familys are pictured and described on the website. Also when doing the guardianship we have to sign a unique contract that describes what we are suppose to do with the dog (training, diet, etc) and if she finds we aren't following it she can take the dog back. I can't say I'm active in the world of dog breeding and shows but Itzjbeans says it's relatively common.

 

[Inger]

That little pup with the blue collar-the white mark on his head is what we call the kiss-target in my family. Obviously, that’s where the kisses go. Bumble even has one-she grows one white feather on her head.


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