Please help

[birbsRcool]

Today i will hopefully call the vet and ask about the process to register pikachu in and the price for a wellness check.

so, today I took pikachu out, it was a regular morning so far,but he pooped on the computer desk and it was more watery,yesterday he pooped white, wet stuff, today the white stuff and poop was separated, on two sides of the desk. Later he pooped about like 5 minutes later?! He usually poops after about 10 mins. and then i weighed pikachu. After weighing and writing it down, i accidentally changed the unit from grams to ml. While i was fiddling with that, i saw pikachu chewing on the cloth we have on the counter. Then flying away. I saw he was flying towards the window then he slam into the window and tripped and slipped off the windowsill, and he ran towards the kitchen, constantly hopping and flying, i managed to get him and put him back in his cage, is he okay?

Edit! here is his weight chart:

July 4th: 85 grams
July 5th: 80 grams
July 6th: 79 grams
July 7th: 77 grams

Is that too much lost? he had watery poop today

 

[noodles123]

I am not an expert on bird weights (especially for smaller birds), but the fact that it is going down daily seems concerning to me--- daily fluctuations DO occur, which is why lots of people weigh weekly, but given the health issues you were concerned about, I think that seems like a bit of a red flag... if you graphed it, it would look like a hill (sloping downward). Has he had watery poop like that before?

In terms of hitting the window, if he is acting normal and eating etc, then he is likely fine.

If 85 was the standard weight, then that loss exceeds 5% of his body weight...now, 85 could be higher than his true weight if he had just eaten, but even then, lets say his true weight was 83...a drop to 77 is still over a 5% loss (unless I am doing my math wrong)..
At 85 g, 5% lost would be 4.25 grams...at 83 g, 5% lost would be 4.15 grams

 

[Scott]

Pikachu's trend seems alarming, but consistency of weighing is important. Best time is just after the "morning poop" if this can be determined. What is his diet, and how often does it change? I ask because poop varies between intake of pellets, seeds, and fresh veggies/fruits. If you see changes from normal with a type of food, that may be worrying. In any case, a "well check" with certified avian vet is preferable to uncertainty. Vet may want to take blood for lab evaluation and/or fecal culture depending on history and recency of visit.

Flight impacts to windows/doors can be hazardous but often result in a minor "stun." Injuries can range from awful broken neck/wing/leg(s) to concussion or nothing more than temporary soft tissue damage. Often the recovery is quick, but a potential concussion is life threatening if the brain swells. Most vets have imaging no better than X-Ray, but can prescribe anti-inflammatories if the worst is suspected.

Please update us on Pikachu's condition!

 

[birbsRcool]

Alright,
About the window thing by then he realized that there was glass and he couldn't fly out, maybe he was just in a panic.
He seems alright now, and the wet droppings started yesterday i think, maybe cuz i gave him a bath and i saw him drinking some of the water. But that was only yesterday today they are wet and it looks like there is also clear stuff (wait birds pee?) He's trying to take a nap right now

I have classes and can't take him out until about 10:00 or 11:00 am so by then he is sitting on his bowl waiting for me to give him some budgie seeds or veggies (he only has budgie seeds now... he used to have all seeds. I give him a sunflower seed? he spits it out. There was this big seed i found in our wild bird seeds *for the birds outside* and he spits it out, its all about the small seeds now?)

So by then he probably had his morning poop.
I have Friday and Saturday free and one of my classes are ending this week, so then i will have time but not on Sundays.

As for his diet, mostly seeds but when i take him out of his cage i feed pellets and crushed pellets to get him used to them, and chop nowadays

life lesson: try not to freeze the chop anymore, its (the chop is) weird now :/

 

[noodles123]

Don't give a parrot wild bird seed-- the quality control is different and it isn't safe. Did he like sunflower seeds before? If so, it could be the seed, or it could be that he isn't feeling well.

Yes, birds pee. Their droppings are urine, urates and fecal matter. The urates are the white "sprinkles" or threads that you see, the poop/fecal matter is the chunky greenish/brownish part that has the white on top of it and the urine is the liquid. They poop and pee at the same time.

As a rule, you don't want a bird to eat a lot of sunflower seeds, because it's like filling them up on junk, but if there is nothing wrong with the seeds and he used to eat them but suddenly doesn't I think that is odd (even though, again, they should be given as treats and not a main part of the diet).

 

[birbsRcool]

Don't give a parrot wild bird seed-- the quality control is different and it isn't safe. Did he like sunflower seeds before? If so, it could be the seed, or it could be that he isn't feeling well.

Yes, birds pee. Their droppings are urine, urates and fecal matter. The urates are the white "sprinkles" or threads that you see, the poop is the chunky part that has the white on top of it and the urine is the liquid.

As a rule, you don't want a bird to eat a lot of sunflower seeds, because it's like filling them up on junk, but if there is nothing wrong with the seeds and he used to eat them but suddenly doesn't I think that is odd (even though, again, they should be given as treats and not a main part of the diet).

Alright, I won't give the wild bird seeds anymore, i just give sunflower seeds as treats or to see if he's alright. When we first got him, i would hold up a sunflower seed and he would happily eat it. Now he isn't interested. Maybe it was either because the old owners fed different seeds (maybe?) (and they gave some to us in a ziploc, but they looked like regular cockatiel mix, i got some from Petland when we were done with that baggie) or he might be sick and lost interest. He acce[ts the new budgie seeds so something **might** be up

And the poop, i know about the white stuff but yesterday he pooped out only white wet stuff the size of a regular cockatiel poop. Today he did that as well but he also pooped out feces on the other side of the table?

 

[Laurasea]

Hi,
Can you take a picture of the poop? And if the food you feed?
He needs to have a cocktail seed mix available at all times 24/7, and a seoerate dish for the pellets, and then offer fresh leafy greens like Romain and arugula and other leafy lettuces, you can thaw peas, corn and green beans and offer those or offer fresh
Wild bird seed is often coated in a powdery mold as it isn’t pet grade, yuck and can be harmful....
The weight loss is significant
If you can offer what he was fed before and a dish of quality seed Mix for small hook bills, and work slowly on converting to healthy seeds , pellets and fresh veggies

You dint put anything in the water do you? Those vitamin that they sell for water should be banned as they quickly turn water into a bacterial and fungal soup

You can offer half a tea spoon of fresh live culture yogurt no artificial sweetener. See if he will lick it up, my birds will from my fingers, but remove after a few minutes if he won’t
This is a safe way to get probiotics into him to help regulate digestion. Most pet stores sell bird probiotics you can sprinkle over the food, but do not add to water. Follow package directions.

 

[noodles123]

It's sometimes hard to see urine in parrot poop, but if it is wet, there is some urine in there (although there should typically be a wet spot along with it)...SOMETIMES, Noodles will have a weird dropping like you described (just liquid and white, or feces without much urine) but it isn't that common. If it doesn't keep happening, I wouldn't say that alone is cause for alarm, but that combined with the appetite change, weight loss and behavioral observations makes me worried that something else could be wrong.

 

[Talven]

If you do feed lettuce to your cockatiel avoid Iceberg lettuce. It is not good for your cockatiel as it reduces their calcium intake.

The loss of weight being so consistent like that would have alarm bells going off for me as would the watery droppings. The amount of weight lost over such a short period is significant for such a small bird.

What is Pikachu's eating like? Eats a lot or only a little? Is he cracking the seed or eating it whole? Is he eating any of the pellets or just crunching them up? Does he eat any of the chop or just plays with it? What is his behaviour like? Active or not too much? What is his appearance like when perching? Fluffed up or normal?

 

[noodles123]

If you do feed lettuce to your cockatiel avoid Iceberg lettuce. It is not good for your cockatiel as it reduces their calcium intake.

The loss of weight being so consistent like that would have alarm bells going off for me as would the watery droppings. The amount of weight lost over such a short period is significant for such a small bird.

What is Pikachu's eating like? Eats a lot or only a little? Is he cracking the seed or eating it whole? Is he eating any of the pellets or just crunching them up? Does he eat any of the chop or just plays with it? What is his behaviour like? Active or not too much? What is his appearance like when perching? Fluffed up or normal?

This thread is kind of long, but it gives more details on what you are asking about
http://www.parrotforums.com/general-health-care/86398-convincing-parents-take-bird-vet-help-5.html

 

[birbsRcool]

I don't know what lettuce it is but we are sure it is not iceberg