Pacho gone to joing PLumas

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Pacho passed away 2:30 am Pacific coast time 9/1/17.

My she find her companion Plumas and always fly free. She was much loved and she left knowing we were there for her.

Going to take a while to get over this ..


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wes

 

[LordTriggs]

really sorry to hear about your loss. You really fought for her

 

[Tami2]

I am so sorry.

 

[FlyBirdiesFly]

I am so sorry for your terrible loss.

 

[T00tsyd]

That's so hard. You did everything you could.

 

[plumsmum2005]

Oh so very, very sorry, may Pacho and Plumas fly free together.

She knew she was much loved, what more is there in life?

Take care.

 

[LauraC]

Wes,

I am so sorry for your loss. RIP Pacho.

 

[Scott]

My deepest condolences for your loss of Pacho. You did the very best and Pacho knew she was deeply loved.

 

[Scott]

Wes posted a beautiful story about Pacho last year in the "Incredible Journeys" forum: http://www.parrotforums.com/incredible-journeys-bird-stories-bird-lovers/65557-pacho-s-story.html

 

[wrench13]

Oh Wes, tragic news, and I am sorry beyond words. You indeed did all that you could for Pacho and she is flying now with good company over the Bridge ( my little Maxie for one). I made a donation to the Cornell Univ. Vet program , to be used for parrot related studies., in Pacho's name.
Fly high Pacho.

 

[Flboy]

Am so so very sorry!

 

[RisingSun]

I am so very sorry to hear about your dear Pacho.

 

[mh434]

I'm so sorry to hear you've lost poor little Pacho!!

You did everything possible to help her, but sometimes there is simply nothing that can be done, and clearly that was the case.

You did give her the one thing that helped...you loved her deeply, and she knew it. She spent her last days were spent knowing she was loved. There is no greater comfort than that - it's the most any of us can wish for at the end...knowing we were valued & cherished.

She is free of pain, and free of sickness, forever.

Fly free, little Pacho, fly free. You will meet again.

 

[Ladyhawk]

I am so sorry. You did all you could to save Pacho. You tried so hard. Don't ever forget that! Watching Pacho's struggle from afar was heartrending and sadly familiar. I hoped Pacho would be spared. By the time she showed symptoms, it may have been too late. It's best not to dwell on that question too much because you can't change what happened. I wish our birds could defy the instinct screaming at them to behave normally, but they can't. It makes it harder for their human friends to help them.

It seems I can't help but project what I felt when I lost Gabby onto others experiencing similar tragedies. Intellectually, I understand everyone reacts differently to loss. Still, I'd like to share what helped me during the worst days of shock and grief. These things may not help you, but in the hope they will, please bear with me and let me share. If they aren't helpful, just ignore them. No one can tell you how to feel.

1) It's OK if you feel just a tiny bit relieved at first. My mother, who tended my father and grandfather during their terminal illnesses, broke the news to me. As she held me, I didn't think I would ever be able to stop crying. "It's OK if you feel a little bit relieved," she told me. "All of Gabby's suffering, all the not knowing, all the stress and worry: they're all gone." Yes, I did feel just a bit relieved...and then guilty for feeling relief. We feel what we feel. We really have very little (if any) control over our emotions. The only thing we can control (partially) is our response to those emotions.

2) Don't allow guilt to become toxic and useless. For me, the biggest struggle was a black cloud of soul-consuming shame. My mind was utterly consumed by a barrage of "what if's" and "if only's." I thought of thousands of ways I failed Gabby. I considered thousands of things I should have done. A person can always think of ways he or she could have done better. We're human. Humans make mistakes. The purpose of guilt is to help you do better the next time a similar situation comes up. If guilt morphs into shame and becomes toxic, you can't use the lessons of guilt to help you do better next time. If that's the case, guilt becomes useless and there's no sense in wallowing in it.

3) Refocus. I was so lonely and grief-stricken I had to move in with my mother for awhile. Getting out in nature is healing and the spring here was magnificent. The wildflowers weren't quite as spectacular as they were last year, but they were still magnificent. The wildlife was incredible. I found myself feeling much better when I was alone with my camera in one of the most beautiful places on the planet. Find your bliss and abide.

4) Social support. Had it not been for my mother, I'm not sure I would have made it. Do whatever you have to do to find a support group or even a support person. The "Bereavement" forum is a good start.

Once again: I am so sorry. ((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))) May Pacho meet our departed parrot friends on the rainbow bridge.

 

[SailBoat]

Warm Feather Hugs My Good Friend! Know that you are surrounded by your many friends that understand and know the depth of your loss! The tears are a reminder of all the wonderful moments that will warm you and support you forever.

Steven,

 

[GaleriaGila]

Pacho and Plumas passed while loved and adored, yes, as many have said above. That's the greatest treasure. I hope I can do that for the Rb.
Thank you for sharing their stories.

 

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My list of "if only I had" could fill up a page or two.

Thank you all for your support. I know the best thing for me is to concentrate on the living.

I do have 2 questions.

Frome the internet searching I have done it says that a Red Lord Amazon has a life expectancy of .... 80 years :11:
Now I always thought a general rule of thumb was the larger the bird the longer the lifespan. Pacho was a small Amazon at least to me. So how can a RLA expect 20 years more than a YNA at 60 year life expectancy?

If I knew she lived a full life it would be easer to accept.

2. After having 2 parrots die in the same cage it makes me feel like it would be bad luck to put another bird in that cage.
I have a steam cleaner on order so I plan on sterilizing it from top to bottom.
They had totally different symptoms and did not die from the same thing.
Plumas had neurological problems and Pacho had liver & kidney failure.
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[SailBoat]

My list of "if only I had" could fill up a page or two.

Thank you all for your support. I know the best thing for me is to concentrate on the living.

I do have 2 questions.

Frome the internet searching I have done it says that a Red Lord Amazon has a life expectancy of .... 80 years :11:
Now I always thought a general rule of thumb was the larger the bird the longer the lifespan. Pacho was a small Amazon at least to me. So how can a RLA expect 20 years more than a YNA at 60 year life expectancy?

If I knew she lived a full life it would be easer to accept.

2. After having 2 parrots die in the same cage it makes me feel like it would be bad luck to put another bird in that cage.
I have a steam cleaner on order so I plan on sterilizing it from top to bottom.
They had totally different symptoms and did not die from the same thing.
Plumas had neurological problems and Pacho had liver & kidney failure.
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Well, lets talk about the internet and the question of what is good information and what is not!

For years the base line for Large Parrot length of their lives was based on knowledge gained from those long lived Parrots that crossed the lives of two generations of Humans - Parents and their children. The Parents purchased the Parrot and when they past the kids would continue its care!

The time lines are very interesting since the documents are from Europe and North America from the early 1800's to the 1960's. The interesting part of that is that Parrot where very expensive and commonly well-cared for members of the family and feed what the family eat! Consider what the diet was for upper middle class and above families of the 1800 - 1940's - home made, heavy loads of fresh veggies, canned veggies, etc... and most important, near no process foods and near no chemicals. With the exception of quality of medical care a much healthier World for Parrots.

The older Vets, now near all retired would tell stories of family Parrots with generational crossings. Normally, living in the same home with the Parents and Kids and Grandkids. The Parrot was the tie, the generational connection. And those Parrot where living to those ages!

So, why the different in live span! It comes to collecting ages from those family Vets and what Parrots where more common and all those other things that drive a bell shaped curve to suffer from limited data.

Of the Amazons, the big guys have historically had the edge with life expectancy in the 60 to 80 year range. TODAY: That same group is seeing lows of 25 to 45 year range! They are passing much younger! So what is killing them! Poor Diet and Lack of Flight!

The truth about Red Lords! Red Lords as a species has one of the largest variations in size of the family Amazona! They range from 350 - 580 grams. As a group, the big guys had been much more common in the Good Old Days and as a result had long been considered as part of the Big Guy. There are some that believed that RLA should have been part of the Big Hot Three, but that is another story!

So, its an issue of poor stats that a YNA is at 60 and a RLA is at 80. That fact is that as a group, they all where in the 60 to 80 year world.


Its not the Cage! But, maybe its time for a new cage? Whatever comforts you my friend!

 

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Not knowing what her diet was before I got her and just how old she was when I got her makes it near impossible to know if she lived a full life.

I did as much as I could to correct the situation when I learned of it. Could be to little too late.

She was never able to fly . no idea why.

 

[plumsmum2005]

Not knowing what her diet was before I got her and just how old she was when I got her makes it near impossible to know if she lived a full life.

I did as much as I could to correct the situation when I learned of it. Could be to little too late.

She was never able to fly . no idea why.

You did everything you could, what more is there? She lived a life where she was valued and loved, that's pretty full. I know you would not have wanted her to carry on especially if she was in pain and we have no way of judging that. Cherish those precious memories but please do not beat yourself up. Maybe that cage and it's gremlins could be consigned to a new home after cleaning? Remember both Plumas and Pacho, keep them close to your heart always but carry on you have a flock that is still living and needs you. Hugs to you my friend.