Our new puppy !

[427HISS]

After the loss of our 14 year old wire fox terrier "Otis" a few weeks ago from kidney failure, we just adopted this wire from a breeder in Mn. We'll make a road trip to bring him home on April 6th. Patty's named him "Sparky". His AKC pedigree maybe read something like, Spartacus Briarlea Gilmore. (Briarlea is part of the breeders namesake & Gilmore is our last name)

Both of his parents and grandfather are AKC champions, several times. We usually adopt from rescues or local humane societies, but this breed can have health problems like bad allergies, like Otis suffered from, so we decided to get a well bred wire this time. The breeder's family have been breeding wires since 1955 We did a lot of research to find a reputable breeder and NOT,.... a puppy mill.

Here's the breeders link showing her breeders & champions-
Briarlea Wire Fox Terriers

Isn't he adorable !!!

 

[triordan]

congratulations, puppy breath is the best!

 

[MarciaLove]

hes cute but I am strongly against buying form breeders because now somewhere in some shelter a puppy is dying because you decided to buy a puppy from a breeder instead of adopting a dog/puppy on death row I volunteer at many rescues so I Really dislike all dog breeders!!! And dont think anyone should buy from a breeder until puppies and dogs stop dying in shelters because no one comes to adopt them and there are too many dogs and puppies needing homes and people buy from a breeder instead of saving a life that actually needs a home.

 

[ruffledfeathers]

He is really cute!! I wrestled with buying a puppy too. I have 2 that are rescued, one from shelter and the other was a retired breeder, and one i purchased. I didn't 'plan' to do so, but given my situation at the time, it was what worked for our family, including the other dogs.
Congrats on your new baby!!

 

[noblemacaw]

Congrats on your new puppy Hiss. He is adorable!!

Marcia, I can understand your stand with buying puppies from breeders. Personally I have gotten my dogs both ways. I have adopted shelter dogs and have gotten puppies from a breeder (only one time though). Sometimes people want a specific dog that can't or are not available in a shelter. If I was to do it all over again I do admit a Scottish Terrier is NOT my first pick for the kind of dog I like and enjoy. However her situation was unique and I end up rescuing her.

Sometimes adopting from a shelter is taking home some else's problem. A little bit like parrot rescue some people are just not able to handle and help this kind of dog. Not all dogs come with a lot of baggage and I have gotten some really good nice dogs from our shelter but this was after going to visit shelter for weeks until we finally found a dog that clicked with us.

I think there are times when a person wants a specific kind of dog with specific physical attributes and specific personality and temperament. There are a lot of dogs and cats in need of homes just like there are a lot of parrots that need homes. This is such a personal choice to adopt a shelter dog or go to a breeder for a specific kind of dog.

I have wanted a RFM since 1997. Yes, I went to a breeder to get Valentino. I do not regret it nor am I sorry I "purchased" him from a breeder. If and when I get my next parrot I would LIKE for that parrot to be one that needs a home and I will go through a rescue. This is going to take time and effort on everyone's part because I want this to be a successful and as good a fit as I can make it.

Both my dog and cat were "cast off's" from breeders who did not want them. My cat was so unhappy where she was at I had to get her out of there. My dog was unwanted also. Both these animals were going to end up in shelters so I adopted them. Although not at the same time but different years. Although my dog is not that bonded to me I still love her and care for her. However my cat is VERY bonded to me and even though she can be a pest I love her very much.

Taking in a animal into your home is a very personal choice. It is always my hope that people take the responsibility seriously with love and enjoyment. Sadly too many animals end up in shelters because people can be ignorant, stupid, or "dispose" of the animal when they don't want it anymore. Sad but that is how it goes.

 

[antoinette]

He is adorable

 

[427HISS]

hes cute but I am strongly against buying form breeders because now somewhere in some shelter a puppy is dying because you decided to buy a puppy from a breeder instead of adopting a dog/puppy on death row I volunteer at many rescues so I Really dislike all dog breeders!!! And don't think anyone should buy from a breeder until puppies and dogs stop dying in shelters because no one comes to adopt them and there are too many dogs and puppies needing homes and people buy from a breeder instead of saving a life that actually needs a home.

Like I wrote, we DO,....have and will, save animals from rescues and humane societies. Our boxer, sheltie and Otis were adopted from rescues, so please don't act like we don't care, because we do !

We need good breeders,... so we can keep the quality of all breeds high, because if we don't, they will fall to many kinds of health issues through BAD breeding !

Otis was in a humane society after his parents and siblings were killed in the Oklahoma City tornado, he was the only survivor and was found 3 miles away from home in a field, so he was picked up by the tornado. he was scared to death of fireworks and really, all loud noise's.

Major, our boxer, was in a boxer rescue. His owners had him outside in a small kennel 24/7. His ears were chewed up so bad from fly's that they were blood red and you could not even come close to touching them. One ear stands up but the other lays down because of nerve endings are so short after so much damage.

Spencer, our Sheltie we adopted at our local humane society.

Shelby, our Cockatoo was saved from a rescue in new Mexico.

So, don't judge us as bad & careless pet owners, for adopting this pup from a breeder


All of our cats from the last 25 years,...we adopted from humane society's in Lincoln & Omaha. . We've supported a lot of local shelters for many,.....years now and we feel great about it !

Thank you,
Kevin

 

[ruffledfeathers]

I so agree with--we need GOOD breeders--and need it to be the NORM for everyone else to neuter/spay their pet. (unfortunately it's not that way.) I felt 'guilty' needing to buy a puppy too, but researched for a good breeder, who does not allow her pups to wind up in shelters (she keeps track of the dogs she sells and will rescue them back and rehome them if they are in a bad situation).
I bought a puppy because my Chu Chu had been through hell before i adopted him. It took years to get him to trust, but he still had an aggressive streak and extreme anxiety. When my Pablo died, Chu went over the edge. He became destructive, cried until he lost his voice (it was heartbreaking). He went to the vet a number of times, tried medications, but the vet finally said "just get another dog!"

Given Chu's quirks, i wanted to start with a 'clean slate', and couldn't find any puppies available for adoption at the time. Pinto worked out PERFECTLY.

I know these are delicate subjects with a lot of people. And there is probably no good black and white answer. I have been a vegetarian most of my life and i actually find myself getting raging mad when i see a KFC commercial. LOL I keep thinking 'how can you sugar coat what is being done to these poor chickens and try to make it look appetizing??' But of course the average meat eating person does not advocate the torture of animals. I guess each of us has our own deepest convictions and we have to live according to them.

 

[aliray]

What a cute puppy. Congrats on your soon to be new baby. I am sure he will be a wonderful addition to your family. And I agree that there is nothing like the smell of puppy breath

 

[MarciaLove]

@ noblemacaw, I do agree that some dogs do not ever end up in shelters like for example Presa Canarios and I could see buying one of those form a breeder definately but most breeds do end up in shelters sometimes and I have seen many Wire Fox Terriers go in and not com back out as well as other breeds :'( I dont think parrot breeding is bad at all since yes there are parrot shelters but not parrot kill shelters as there isnt such a high amount of unwanted parrots so kill shelters for parrots are not nessacary not to say that there arent lots in shelters just not near as many as dogs so they dont get killed like dogs just because they are unwanted. Also dog breeders often dont preserve "good traits" for example I have attached a picture showing how the Bulldog started out and what happened after breeder started trying to "better the breed" as a result the dog got shorter, developed a flattened face, and its entire body actually changed! As a result they have developed many health issues just so they can look prettier to some people. this has happened to more than just the Bulldog breed as well.

 

[MarciaLove]

also most breeders dont keep track of their animals and once in a shelter it doesnt matter what breed, age, or if they are AKC registered if they arent adopted they will eventuallly be on death row. I have actually never heard of a breeder who does keep track of their sold puppies, how would they? if someone gives it to a shelter the breeder would have no way of knowing.

 

[ruffledfeathers]

There's probably no absolute fool proof method, but some breeders do more up front to know what kind of potential home the puppy would go to, more like a rescue group.
In the case of the girl i bought Pinto from, she only has a few dogs that live in her house, sleep in her bed, and it's a small "business", so it's easier to police. In a large breeding operation, i think it all goes quickly down a steep hill...............

 

[ruffledfeathers]

btw 427HISS--Sparky is such a cute name. That was the name of my favorite dog from my childhood. Take a lot of video of him when he is new. I still look back at those videos from when i first got Pinto and i'm AMAZED how small he was. And boy do i miss puppy breath. That is addictive.

 

[Jtbirds]

He looks great, can't wait to get my Aussie Shepard puppy

 

[Abigal7]

My mom is a dog breeder (mostly German Shepherds). There has been a couple of times she took a dog back. But most of the time people do not return the dog. She had strays dumped at her house. A guy gave her a big neutured Central Asian Shepherd (mom thinks the guy gave him to her because the dog might become a liablity to him). She talked to the breeder he got the dog from to get advise. The breeder was not please that the guy did not follow the instructions that she would give him the dog at a reduced price if he did not neuter it and if need be she would take back the dog. People have given my mom small dogs. I now have a neutered Australian terrier that my mom gave me. Someone gave him to my mom (he use to belong to an elderly lady). One lady said her friend left her pomeranians with her until she she found a home for them. But she never came back for the dogs. The dogs are not mean dogs at all. The sad part part is that ladies children got attached to the dogs and were sad to see them go. Mom refused to sell a lady a German Shepherd puppy recently. My mom gives people a chance but I can tell she is sometimes frustrated with some people's mentalty. Such as I want a male since it will not get pregnant (translation not my problem if my dog fathers puppies). I see alot of adds on craigslist for dogs. My mom thinks some people think that a house trained dog '"should be able to stay in the house while you are out on errands or working and not have an accident."​

 

[427HISS]

Just as with anything, DO YOUR RESEARCH, before buying from any breeder. Like I noted, two breeders close to us that live in Kansas that we looked into, both turned out as puppy mills !
So we're very happy that we checked into them. She has 17 different breeds. We once watch a show on ABS's 20/20 that had several puppy mills that very discus ting. Most of the breeding pairs we in such small cages that when they let them out, they couldn't even stand up or walk !
It brought tears to our eyes.

I called one breeder and asked for references, and they said they said "don't have any, as our dogs speak for themselves". That's one,... clue to stay away from them !

Like I said, we need good breeders to keep the breeds up to high quality standards, not someone that's a "weekend breeder" as a money maker. Most reputable breeders don't make money on selling dogs, they just love dogs/animals and what they do !

I'm sure if ask "Abigal7",......she'll agree.

I made a list of research questions to ask breeders and can post them here if anyone wants to use them.

What scares me is all these weekend breeders and puppy mills that are mixing all these cute breeds like,....( spelling's) ?
Boxerpoos, Yorkiepoo, ****zapoo, etc....I do not mind breeding different types, as that's how all previous AKC registered breeds have come about, but again, it's these non-qualified breeders that have no experience breeding quality dogs.

So, there's no problem buying from quality breeders. You'll pay more but it's worth it, for you and the breed. If you can, please donate and adopt from your local rescue and society.

 

[Birdlover11]

I LOVE wire fox terriers , they just have so much energy and spunk lol.

 

[427HISS]

You're very correct.

Their also tough, intelligent, self confident and playful, which can also lead to,..... being a pain in the @ss ! lol

 

[Abigal7]

Just as with anything, DO YOUR RESEARCH, before buying from any breeder. Like I noted, two breeders close to us that live in Kansas that we looked into, both turned out as puppy mills !
So we're very happy that we checked into them. She has 17 different breeds. We once watch a show on ABS's 20/20 that had several puppy mills that very discus ting. Most of the breeding pairs we in such small cages that when they let them out, they couldn't even stand up or walk !
It brought tears to our eyes.

I called one breeder and asked for references, and they said they said "don't have any, as our dogs speak for themselves". That's one,... clue to stay away from them !

Like I said, we need good breeders to keep the breeds up to high quality standards, not someone that's a "weekend breeder" as a money maker. Most reputable breeders don't make money on selling dogs, they just love dogs/animals and what they do !

I'm sure if ask "Abigal7",......she'll agree.

I made a list of research questions to ask breeders and can post them here if anyone wants to use them.

What scares me is all these weekend breeders and puppy mills that are mixing all these cute breeds like,....( spelling's) ?
Boxerpoos, Yorkiepoo, ****zapoo, etc....I do not mind breeding different types, as that's how all previous AKC registered breeds have come about, but again, it's these non-qualified breeders that have no experience breeding quality dogs.

So, there's no problem buying from quality breeders. You'll pay more but it's worth it, for you and the breed. If you can, please donate and adopt from your local rescue and society.

True, a breeder has to look at the family tree of the dog and the health and temperment of the dog. I should point out you could say certain dog breeds would have what we would call deformities such as pug noses or the shape of bull dogs (for example). I bet there are some mutts in dog shelters that would make healthy and non aggresive family dogs.
Anyways here some pics of my mom's puppies.

 

[Abigal7]

Here is one more pic.