New YNP—It’s Archie!

[Ira7]

Hey, guys. Just purchased a 9-month-old YNP two weeks ago, and so far so good.

He steps up eagerly and has from Day One, and has been fairly calm, except when attacking his chew toys. I have seen some SLIGHT examples of him trying to establish a dominance, but I’ve learned how to nip that in the bud.

I’m retired, and spend most of my time in the living room, right near his cage, so it’s pretty heavy bonding. He also likes my wife, although my grown boys are still a question mark.

I have been VERY fortunate in getting him to try fruits and vegetables, and I’ll keep trying. For example, first three times he wouldn’t touch the blueberries, now he loves them.

I’m going to wait a few months to decide if I want to shoulder train him. I know many people think this is a big no no, but to me, this is a great bond and doesn’t ALWAYS lead to dominance and other problems. We’ll see.

And oh:

He’s already talking up a storm!

 

[Laurasea]

Congratulations! Welcomed to the forum! We have lots if people with Amazon I'm sure they will drop by with advice. The top of the Amazon forum has blue sticky threads about Amazingly Amazon !

 

[SailBoat]

Very happy to see you have join the large family of Amazon Folks!

Yellow Nape Amazons (YNA) are one of the Big Hot Three and can have a difficult time transitioning into Adulthood. This commonly occurs between their four and sixth year of age with some dealing earlier with the on-flow of Hormonal chemicals, the rush... You have time to deeply develop your relationship with your Amazon, that trust bond will become very important as the transition begins.

- Your most important point to remember, (wright it down), is your YNA has no control of the Hormonal Rush. You will have to see it for what it is and know to back away and give your guy room to cool-off.

- You really need one or both of your Sons to buy into and Love your YNA. As a Young Amazon, he will easily outlive you and live long into your Son's life.

- A Flyer! We have come to understand that Amazons (like most all Parrots) are by design Flyers. Those who are not allowed to fly early in their life never have the benefit of a fully developed; heart, air-sacks (lungs) or flight muscles. An underdeveloped Heart becomes a limiting fact to the long life of your Amazon.

- Socialize your Amazon! Near everyone that comes in the house is a potential perch...

- Although a bit early, take the time to read with detail (over and over again) the Thread at the top of the Amazon Forum, Understand Amazon Body Language... Over the next several years, you will see your guy use the foundation and then build on them with his own.

- Have a long discussion with your attorney regarding the care of your Amazon long after you are no longer able.

I'm old as well and have been in the care of Amazons for a very long time, over four and a half decades...

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Amazons!

 

[wrench13]

Welcome and be welcomed. Sailboats is our resident amazon guru, so heed his words carefully.I know I do.

A great way to establish a relationship with your 'zon... set up a timeof day to teach him things. Tricks or saying things, just about anything. Once they know you are trying toteach them, they become sponges. And they love the attention. It becomes a timeof day when you are 100% focused on him, and he on you. Not along session, 15-20 min , unless he has an unusually long attention span. Figure out what his fav treat is and use that exclusively for training and teaching time. For my Salty, its pine nuts.

 

[Ira7]

Very happy to see you have join the large family of Amazon Folks!

Yellow Nape Amazons (YNA) are one of the Big Hot Three and can have a difficult time transitioning into Adulthood. This commonly occurs between their four and sixth year of age with some dealing earlier with the on-flow of Hormonal chemicals, the rush... You have time to deeply develop your relationship with your Amazon, that trust bond will become very important as the transition begins.

- Your most important point to remember, (wright it down), is your YNA has no control of the Hormonal Rush. You will have to see it for what it is and know to back away and give your guy room to cool-off.

- You really need one or both of your Sons to buy into and Love your YNA. As a Young Amazon, he will easily outlive you and live long into your Son's life.

- A Flyer! We have come to understand that Amazons (like most all Parrots) are by design Flyers. Those who are not allowed to fly early in their life never have the benefit of a fully developed; heart, air-sacks (lungs) or flight muscles. An underdeveloped Heart becomes a limiting fact to the long life of your Amazon.

- Socialize your Amazon! Near everyone that comes in the house is a potential perch...

- Although a bit early, take the time to read with detail (over and over again) the Thread at the top of the Amazon Forum, Understand Amazon Body Language... Over the next several years, you will see your guy use the foundation and then build on them with his own.

- Have a long discussion with your attorney regarding the care of your Amazon long after you are no longer able.

I'm old as well and have been in the care of Amazons for a very long time, over four and a half decades...

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Amazons!

Is the hormonal rush the same for male and female?

I took him to an avian specialist a few days after purchasing for a full work-up ($400!!!), and all is good, but waiting for some test results to come in this week.

I didn’t do sex testing because I didn’t see the point right now. However, the vet said it’s something I’m going to want to eventually do because that helps in future diagnoses/treatments of certain conditions.

 

[SailBoat]

Yup, Big Parrots, Big Vet Bills. Start to budget into your yearly costs...
Should have gotten the DNA sexing while at the Avian Professional Clinic...

There is a difference, but its not always clear... I have had females that had been true fireballs and males that where a bit cooler. So, if you are thinking that waiting to see if you can determine, which you have. Not, a good idea... The concerns with males and females comes to diet based around egg laying and the quick determination if your Amazon is egg bound. If your assumed male becomes egg bound and dies from it, you saved nothing and are faced with the heartache.

By the way, the folks you got your CITES Class I Amazon from provided you a complete Hatch Certificate, which defines its parents, the breeder and their contact information, plus any stops between the breeder and you, Correct? If not, you need to get that document set and I strongly recommend that you provide a complete copy to your Avian Professional.

 

[Laurasea]

You can order a DNA test online, basically they have print a paper with iD info, then you clip a toe nail just far enough back to make it bleed, you only need a drop, then mail it off, takes a week or so for results. I use flour to hold on clipped toe nail to stop bleeding

 

[Ira7]

Yup, Big Parrots, Big Vet Bills. Start to budget into your yearly costs...
Should have gotten the DNA sexing while at the Avian Professional Clinic...

There is a difference, but its not always clear... I have had females that had been true fireballs and males that where a bit cooler. So, if you are thinking that waiting to see if you can determine, which you have. Not, a good idea... The concerns with males and females comes to diet based around egg laying and the quick determination if your Amazon is egg bound. If your assumed male becomes egg bound and dies from it, you saved nothing and are faced with the heartache.

By the way, the folks you got your CITES Class I Amazon from provided you a complete Hatch Certificate, which defines its parents, the breeder and their contact information, plus any stops between the breeder and you, Correct? If not, you need to get that document set and I strongly recommend that you provide a complete copy to your Avian Professional.

All I got was his hatch date and band #.

 

[Ira7]

This is a weird one:

Today, Archie preferred to grab his Nutriberry from me with his foot, not beak! Just the Nutriberry, nothing else!

 

[Otter]

Maybe Archie is jealous you have hands, so he's trying to be like you. Very cute!

 

[SailBoat]

Yup, Big Parrots, Big Vet Bills. Start to budget into your yearly costs...
Should have gotten the DNA sexing while at the Avian Professional Clinic...

There is a difference, but its not always clear... I have had females that had been true fireballs and males that where a bit cooler. So, if you are thinking that waiting to see if you can determine, which you have. Not, a good idea... The concerns with males and females comes to diet based around egg laying and the quick determination if your Amazon is egg bound. If your assumed male becomes egg bound and dies from it, you saved nothing and are faced with the heartache.

By the way, the folks you got your CITES Class I Amazon from provided you a complete Hatch Certificate, which defines its parents, the breeder and their contact information, plus any stops between the breeder and you, Correct? If not, you need to get that document set and I strongly recommend that you provide a complete copy to your Avian Professional.

All I got was his hatch date and band #.

That is an incomplete Hatch Certificate! It is a Federal, in fact, an International Requirement that all CITES, Class 1 and Class 2 Amazons (endangered species) must be provided a detailed Hatch Certificate! Do not treat this as a so what issue as if you elect to travel or rehome your Amazon, you will need to go back and attempt to reconstruct the needed information.

So, your Yellow Nape Amazon (YNA) is using the foot to take food!!! Wow, your Amazon has table manners already in place!!!

 

[Ira7]

Yup, Big Parrots, Big Vet Bills. Start to budget into your yearly costs...
Should have gotten the DNA sexing while at the Avian Professional Clinic...

There is a difference, but its not always clear... I have had females that had been true fireballs and males that where a bit cooler. So, if you are thinking that waiting to see if you can determine, which you have. Not, a good idea... The concerns with males and females comes to diet based around egg laying and the quick determination if your Amazon is egg bound. If your assumed male becomes egg bound and dies from it, you saved nothing and are faced with the heartache.

By the way, the folks you got your CITES Class I Amazon from provided you a complete Hatch Certificate, which defines its parents, the breeder and their contact information, plus any stops between the breeder and you, Correct? If not, you need to get that document set and I strongly recommend that you provide a complete copy to your Avian Professional.

All I got was his hatch date and band #.

That is an incomplete Hatch Certificate! It is a Federal, in fact, an International Requirement that all CITES, Class 1 and Class 2 Amazons (endangered species) must be provided a detailed Hatch Certificate! Do not treat this as a so what issue as if you elect to travel or rehome your Amazon, you will need to go back and attempt to reconstruct the needed information.

So, your Yellow Nape Amazon (YNA) is using the foot to take food!!! Wow, your Amazon has table manners already in place!!!

I’m going to the store tomorrow and I’ll ask.

 

[SailBoat]

All I got was his hatch date and band #.

That is an incomplete Hatch Certificate! It is a Federal, in fact, an International Requirement that all CITES, Class 1 /Class 2 Amazons (endangered species) must be provided a detailed Hatch Certificate! Do not treat this as a so what issue as if you elect to travel or rehome your Amazon, you will need to go back and attempt to reconstruct the needed information.

So, your Yellow Nape Amazon (YNA) is using the foot to take food!!! Wow, your Amazon has table manners already in place!!!

I’m going to the store tomorrow and I’ll ask.

Consider going back in and starting from the position of:

As we both know, the Yellow Nape Amazon I purchased here is classified as an endangered species under CITES Class 1 and Class 2 and for the last three years here in the United States (in fact all of North America), Breeders and Sellers of such Parrots are required by Law to provide a detailed Hatch Certificate with the sale of such Parrots.

As a Retailer, you know that you must provide such documentation with the sale of any such Amazon that 'today' is under the age of three (3) years.

See above Post regarding the minimum information.

Assure you are talking to an Owner, as the average store staff person likely hasn't a clue what your talking about, let alone what an Amazon is beyond its green...

Since you are in South Florida, the pet trade is under fairly close scrutiny compared to, say a Bird Store in one of the Great Plains States, for black market parrots...

 

[Ira7]

Archie’s new training table.

 

[Ira7]

That is an incomplete Hatch Certificate! It is a Federal, in fact, an International Requirement that all CITES, Class 1 /Class 2 Amazons (endangered species) must be provided a detailed Hatch Certificate! Do not treat this as a so what issue as if you elect to travel or rehome your Amazon, you will need to go back and attempt to reconstruct the needed information.

So, your Yellow Nape Amazon (YNA) is using the foot to take food!!! Wow, your Amazon has table manners already in place!!!

I’m going to the store tomorrow and I’ll ask.

Consider going back in and starting from the position of:

As we both know, the Yellow Nape Amazon I purchased here is classified as an endangered species under CITES Class 1 and Class 2 and for the last three years here in the United States (in fact all of North America), Breeders and Sellers of such Parrots are required by Law to provide a detailed Hatch Certificate with the sale of such Parrots.

As a Retailer, you know that you must provide such documentation with the sale of any such Amazon that 'today' is under the age of three (3) years.

See above Post regarding the minimum information.

Assure you are talking to an Owner, as the average store staff person likely hasn't a clue what your talking about, let alone what an Amazon is beyond its green...

Since you are in South Florida, the pet trade is under fairly close scrutiny compared to, say a Bird Store in one of the Great Plains States, for black market parrots...

You still paying attention here?

Finally went to the bird store, and wait until you hear this one.

We’ll see what happens, but thank you for pushing me to get this CITES!