Hybrid possibility-Ninja & Kahlua

[crimson]

Oh, I can see this in the making!...and I am really not sure how to approach this at all.
Ninja has got the hots for my female pineapple conure Kahlua.
Ninja is my gold cap conure.
she is only 3-4 months old, but Ninja loves her, definitely a bond there.
when she is old enough I can see those two wanting to make little Ninja's,lol
the problem is being a breeder a hybrid is really a 'no no' of sorts, and these are my pets.
I am just being hypothetical here, this may never happen, but I know my birds, and who digs who, Kahlua is always in Ninjas cage and vice versa. they prune each other, sit together etc....
I have deliberately not put them together in the same cage for fear that Ninja will become protective of her.
would it be wrong to have these two mate and produce chicks?
heck I wouldn't even know what to call them....gold pineapples

 

[weco]

logically speaking, you have already perpetuated what you're seeking approval for.....is that just a girl thing, because it sure sounds like my daughter.....

I'm not a purist, but don't think I would set up a cross-specie possibility, though I do have a sun-nanday pair that have been together over 9 years, both, willfully leaving other mates for this partnership.....they came to me as a pair, and while they dutifully practice at furthering the specie, they have never produced viable eggs.....

 

[crimson]

logically speaking, you have already perpetuated what you're seeking approval for.....is that just a girl thing, because it sure sounds like my daughter.....

I'm not a purist, but don't think I would set up a cross-specie possibility, though I do have a sun-nanday pair that have been together over 9 years, both, willfully leaving other mates for this partnership.....they came to me as a pair, and while they dutifully practice at furthering the specie, they have never produced viable eggs.....

I had just put Kahlua in her cage, and my lovebird Luna shares a cage with her.
Luna landed on their cage, and Ninja shot out of his cage to shoe Luna away.
he just about had him for lunch!

You know Ninja and Kahlua will sit on my shoulder together and prune each other, I wish I had a camera for those moments.

I'm also wondering about the significant size difference, would laying eggs pose a problem due to gold caps being quite a bit larger?

 

[crimson]

....another question: should I house them together, right now they are separate.
I am concerned Ninja will become very very protective with her, even with me, although he shows no signs of it at this time, but that could change.
Ninja has been in his new cage for almost 2 weeks, barely come out at any point in time, other than to protect any bird that comes near Kahlua. now that he is coming out for a reason, I am closing the door on him to protect my other birds. he is lightning fast(not flighted thank god) and have had some very close calls.
poor thing is confused, as am I.
he really seems to dig Kahlua, which I am for, but not at the risk of my fingers, or my other birds, just not sure how to handle this!

 

[weco]

I'm also wondering about the significant size difference, would laying eggs pose a problem due to gold caps being quite a bit larger?

If you're concerned about size, read up on galatiel.....

 

[crimson]

I'm also wondering about the significant size difference, would laying eggs pose a problem due to gold caps being quite a bit larger?

If you're concerned about size, read up on galatiel.....

...let me guess, a galah and a cockatiel?....really?

 

[JerseyWendy]

logically speaking, you have already perpetuated what you're seeking approval for.....is that just a girl thing, because it sure sounds like my daughter.....

Absolutely NOT a girl thing...I'm speaking from experience...been married for almost 27 years

 

[crimson]

I'm also wondering about the significant size difference, would laying eggs pose a problem due to gold caps being quite a bit larger?

If you're concerned about size, read up on galatiel.....

...let me guess, a galah and a cockatiel?....really?

thanks weco, I read it, quite unusual looking I must say!, to me it looks like *^&%$ up cockatiel,lol.

I'm guessing(or hoping) that the male was the cockatiel, and the female was the galah.

....now my question is still the same.....

 

[crimson]

It sounds like you are already determined to breed them, they are of two different genera. Fertilization is possible though the offspring may be sterile. What purpose do you have in mind for creating this hybrid? Is there a particular reason you seem eager for this? Kahlua is way too young for breeding, and an older, over-eager mate often kills or injures a younger, inexperienced partner of the same species. Throw in the different "languages" of 2 separate species and I believe you are placing Kahlua in danger needlessly

well thank you grey, I'll keep that in mind. I am not really determined to breed them,as I am not into hybrids(although I have nothing against them)
I just don't believe in breeding two different species together.

they are in separate cages and will remain that way.

I am thrilled that Ninja has bonded with a female. he came from a breeding environment, without any successful results, without being capable of bonding with any female, and is super tame.

I know Kahlua is way to young to breed, as I mentioned in my previous post, she is young...and won't be ready until next year.
given the time from now until next year, it is quite conceivable with what I have witnessed so far, that the two of them just may mate.

I'm trying to be prepared for what ever comes my way.

 

[Kalidasa]

LMAO! Nature will have her way! Whether people are for it or against it, it's up to them, and if they want to nothing will stop them!

 

[MonicaMc]

Actually, in the galatiel crossing, the female was the cockatiel and the male the galah. I have seen photos of two other galatiels (unrelated), although I don't know what species their parents were (i.e. female cockatiel x male galah or female galah x male cockatiel).

Here's the info about the first(?) galatiel
World first, galah breeds with cockatiel | Talking Birds ? Australia's Avian Newsmagazine

Here is an image of two other galatiels (the ones I don't know which parent is which)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/526225_307302986045413_494381704_n.jpg


Unlike dogs where males often determine the size of pups, it is the females who determine the size of the eggs! Some hens may be genetically prone to laying larger than normal eggs, but breeding two separate species together that are of separate sizes does not mean the size of the egg is going to vary because of species!


I think you need to take a look over this group of photos... that I'm still working on expanding!
Flickr: Hybrid Parrots


Check out this link
Scarlet-Chest Parrot breeds with Princess Parrot | Talking Birds ? Australia's Avian Newsmagazine


Check out this article (in Dutch)
2012 | Papegaaien rijden scheve schaats


Here is a rainbow lorikeet x king parrot (colors of a lorikeet but the size and shape of a king parrot)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530911_4934423484375_50679076_n.jpg



Without ever seeing this hybrid combo before, I can tell you that the offspring will not be that impressive looking. (whether it happens or not) You will end up with normal colored hybrid offspring split "pineapple". As of yet, I do not know if these birds (Pyrrhura x Large Conure hybrids) are fertile or not, but I can tell you, it is one hybrid I do not recommend!


Here's some things I've learned about them

1. Failure to thrive as chicks
2. May be born with physical deformities
3. May day at an early age from cancer

And that's just what I know based off of the green cheek x sun conure hybrids. Someone wanted to produce some pineapple "black forest" conures (i.e. a pineapple green cheek black capped hybrid), but they paired the wrong two birds together... and so the offspring are normal colored hybrids split pineapple.

HYBRID BLACK CAP / PINEAPPLE GREEN CHEEK CONURES | Bremen | eBay Classifieds (Kijiji) | 27280073


I have seen photos of hybrids that are also a mutation, but that was when the right birds were paired to produce a hybrid that is also a mutation.




Probably more than you expected... but I hope that helps! (I'm not sure in what way, either!)

 

[crimson]

Actually, in the galatiel crossing, the female was the cockatiel and the male the galah. I have seen photos of two other galatiels (unrelated), although I don't know what species their parents were (i.e. female cockatiel x male galah or female galah x male cockatiel).

Here's the info about the first(?) galatiel
World first, galah breeds with cockatiel | Talking Birds ? Australia's Avian Newsmagazine

Here is an image of two other galatiels (the ones I don't know which parent is which)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/526225_307302986045413_494381704_n.jpg


Unlike dogs where males often determine the size of pups, it is the females who determine the size of the eggs! Some hens may be genetically prone to laying larger than normal eggs, but breeding two separate species together that are of separate sizes does not mean the size of the egg is going to vary because of species!


I think you need to take a look over this group of photos... that I'm still working on expanding!
Flickr: Hybrid Parrots


Check out this link
Scarlet-Chest Parrot breeds with Princess Parrot | Talking Birds ? Australia's Avian Newsmagazine


Check out this article (in Dutch)
2012 | Papegaaien rijden scheve schaats


Here is a rainbow lorikeet x king parrot (colors of a lorikeet but the size and shape of a king parrot)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530911_4934423484375_50679076_n.jpg



Without ever seeing this hybrid combo before, I can tell you that the offspring will not be that impressive looking. (whether it happens or not) You will end up with normal colored hybrid offspring split "pineapple". As of yet, I do not know if these birds (Pyrrhura x Large Conure hybrids) are fertile or not, but I can tell you, it is one hybrid I do not recommend!


Here's some things I've learned about them

1. Failure to thrive as chicks
2. May be born with physical deformities
3. May day at an early age from cancer

And that's just what I know based off of the green cheek x sun conure hybrids. Someone wanted to produce some pineapple "black forest" conures (i.e. a pineapple green cheek black capped hybrid), but they paired the wrong two birds together... and so the offspring are normal colored hybrids split pineapple.

HYBRID BLACK CAP / PINEAPPLE GREEN CHEEK CONURES | Bremen | eBay Classifieds (Kijiji) | 27280073


I have seen photos of hybrids that are also a mutation, but that was when the right birds were paired to produce a hybrid that is also a mutation.




Probably more than you expected... but I hope that helps! (I'm not sure in what way, either!)

that is what I like about you monica, your a fountain of info!!,
I have seen some of those links before.
agreed, it would be a very strange looking bird.
I am not encouraging it in any way, there will be no nesting box, etc....
....I think your quote says it best monica:
Don't be afraid to question what you learn. In doing so, you may discover a greater truth.

 

[MonicaMc]

I'll probably be in your shoes shortly! Well, maybe...

I have Charlie, my assumed, male mitred conure. Nineteen years old and never laid an egg! (guess I really need to get that DNA test now! LOL)

Tomorrow, if things go as planned, I'll be taking in a very young (to me) female red throated conure. She has laid eggs, so no DNA testing required! As much as I love hybrids, I am not interested in producing any more! Let alone breeding... If the two get along, great! If they get along too well, I might have to buy some fake eggs! If they don't get along, well, that's okay, too!


I didn't think you were truly interested in letting them breed, but just wanted to let you know that stranger things (re: hybrids) have occurred! I'm waiting on photos ATM of black cap x sun conure hybrids, which apparently look pretty similar to the green cheek x sun hybrids! So far, all the Pyrrhura x Large conure hybrid owners that I've spoken to, who also have the parents didn't know that the two species could hybridize. If people are aware that they can hybridize, and that there are potential health problems with these hybrids, I hope that we can prevent future hybrids between these groups of conures! Most owners of these hybrids don't allow their birds to reproduce again, since they never expected them to, and had no plans to become breeders anyway.


And thanks! If I didn't question a lot of what I've learned and been told by others, I doubt I would have learned as much as I have now! I only hope that other people are willing to do the same. A lot of what I've learned goes against what I was originally taught!

 

[crimson]

I'll probably be in your shoes shortly! Well, maybe...

I have Charlie, my assumed, male mitred conure. Nineteen years old and never laid an egg! (guess I really need to get that DNA test now! LOL)

Tomorrow, if things go as planned, I'll be taking in a very young (to me) female red throated conure. She has laid eggs, so no DNA testing required! As much as I love hybrids, I am not interested in producing any more! Let alone breeding... If the two get along, great! If they get along too well, I might have to buy some fake eggs! If they don't get along, well, that's okay, too!


I didn't think you were truly interested in letting them breed, but just wanted to let you know that stranger things (re: hybrids) have occurred! I'm waiting on photos ATM of black cap x sun conure hybrids, which apparently look pretty similar to the green cheek x sun hybrids! So far, all the Pyrrhura x Large conure hybrid owners that I've spoken to, who also have the parents didn't know that the two species could hybridize. If people are aware that they can hybridize, and that there are potential health problems with these hybrids, I hope that we can prevent future hybrids between these groups of conures! Most owners of these hybrids don't allow their birds to reproduce again, since they never expected them to, and had no plans to become breeders anyway.


And thanks! If I didn't question a lot of what I've learned and been told by others, I doubt I would have learned as much as I have now! I only hope that other people are willing to do the same. A lot of what I've learned goes against what I was originally taught!

agreed!, and it's all in how you say it.