How to do in an airport

[jousze]

Hi!
I’m back after I don’t know how long...
Well so I might be flying with mambo in summer cause I will be staying in Spain for like 3 months.
I know I have to go to the vet to get a health certificate and all this stuff.
The doubt I have is; will I have to take mambo out of his carrier in any moment? I want to know this cause mambo is fully flighted and he stills a bit to agressive for harness training.

Should I clip his wings?... I’m against this, but if I have to take him out of his carrier I don’t want him to get scared and fly away...
Thanks!


Jose

 

[ChristaNL]

Just one thing...

I hear this A LOT and I am not sure how it is in Belgium but here in NL there is almost no problem to take your parrot with you out of the country, but getting the bird back in can be a nightmare!!

(Esp. if you travel outside the EU-countries / so this does not apply to you now, I know)

So make sure he or she is registered (chip / transponder is preferred because anyone can read that one on the airport without the parrot having to leave the carier at all) bring copies of your bills: purchase and vetbills to prove ownership (not sure if you need the originals) and do not forget to check if your airline allows live animals in the cabin.

(cargohold is never a great idea... to much room for mistakes and accidents/ remember: during the hollidayseasons the luggagepeople are working overtime...)


He looks gorgeous btw!
(keep the cat away from him )

 

[SammyAndyAlex]

I've flown with Sammy once. He was in cabin. He was harnessed when I got to the airport (incase of problems) and we went through security like that (he on my arm, in a harness, just walking through). I had a foldable carrier with me for the flight.

We had no problems.

 

[SammyAndyAlex]

Also: for details on Spanish laws and stuff, call the Spanish embassy. They will let you know what you need to do to be able to travel with your parrot to Spain. Make sure you get everything in writing (email) so in case of problems you can just pull it up.

 

[jousze]

So you had to take him out of the carrier then?
I guess I will have to clip mambo :/


Jose

 

[LordTriggs]

I've seen others here have before when travelling been able to enter a private security room, have the bird taken out of the carrier, have the carrier x-rayed, then the carrier get brought back in and bird inside carrier taken around the security area whilst you go through the scanners.

I'd give the airports you're going to use a call and ask if this is possible beforehand, in fact best to ask about this when you give info about taking Mambo with you over the phone (or in email, so you have written confirmation)

 

[SailBoat]

There are very different requirements for different Countries. As Chrita stated, your greatest problem maybe getting back into your Country as your medical documents are normally only acceptable for 30 days from date of signature. With your travel plans extending to 90 days, that will /could be a problem since you will likely need to have a Certified Avian Vet provide new medical documents prior to returning home.

 

[ParrotGenie]

There are very different requirements for different Countries. As Chrita stated, your greatest problem maybe getting back into your Country as your medical documents are normally only acceptable for 30 days from date of signature. With your travel plans extending to 90 days, that will /could be a problem since you will likely need to have a Certified Avian Vet provide new medical documents prior to returning home.

Yep this is the problem and can be nightmare.

 

[jousze]

This is no problem, I would go to another vet in Spain before coming back!


Jose

 

[noodles123]

Also, make sure you look into wherever you will be going to make sure there are no harmful cleaners/Teflon etc being used at that location.

I don't know about the wings...IF you do clip, make sure you get the type that allows them to glide down and do it long enough before your trip that the bird understands that it can't fly the same as it used to.


Make sure you don't underestimate the red-tape that people mention above. I know someone who took their cat to England for 5 years and when moving back here, it cost them a ton of time, money etc--- plus the airline wouldn't fly the cat unless the temperature range was between X-Y (which meant waiting over a month to get him home--from the first attempt)....it was a massive ordeal because a family member had to stay behind with the cat in order to keep vet records current (for travel), only to be rejected due to weather...and then repeat that process over and over.

 

[SailBoat]

This is no problem, I would go to another vet in Spain before coming back!
Jose

I'm not an expert on EU requirements, but I believe that the medical documents signature must be provided by a Certified Avian Vet (CAV). You will want to locate one prior to going and assure that they will provide the documents you will need.

 

[jousze]

I know this guys, I just need to know if I have to take him out in the security control or can I do something to go in a little room or whatever? Because if I have to take him out I guess I’ll have to clip his wings because I cannot really hold him


Jose

 

[ChristaNL]

Just ask for the little room... they always have those (for the body-cavity-searches if nothing else). They also do not want Mango flying around and creating a disturbance, believe me.

 

[SammyAndyAlex]

Do note, Inside the European union (which both Belgium and Spain are) there is (in theory) free movement. When I travel with Andy (baby African Grey I'll purchase in Germany and drive back to Finland) I do NOT need a vet's approval or any documents (other than the yellow CITES paper (applies only to A listed parrots) and a document proving the parrots hatching in captivity (applies to A and B listed parrots).

Call your Spanish embassy to find out the laws and regulations!!!

 

[SammyAndyAlex]

This is no problem, I would go to another vet in Spain before coming back!
Jose

I'm not an expert on EU requirements, but I believe that the medical documents signature must be provided by a Certified Avian Vet (CAV). You will want to locate one prior to going and assure that they will provide the documents you will need.

As long as the countries do not have more stringent regulations, this is NOT needed. It's always easiest to call/email the embassy of whatever country you're going to travel to, to find out the specific requirements.

 

[ChristaNL]

Jose is a spanish citizen living/studying in Belgium, so he is a foreign person bringing a cites/non-cites bird in the country when he comes back to Belgium ... so there will be some extra checks
(because he is importing/exporting something rather valuable, not just 'traveling with a pet' ... )


Best to be prepared.

 

[SammyAndyAlex]

HERE is a link for getting your Amazon back to Belgium ( https://www.health.belgium.be/en/an...imal-keeping-and-transporting/travelling-pets). It says "Travelling with other pet animals
When thinking of travelling with another pet animal than a dog, a cat or a ferret, you should check the legislation of the country of destination. Rules have been laid down at European level only for a few animal species, among which pet birds.

For the importation of pet birds accompanying their owners from a country that is not a member of the European Union, the Commission Decision 2007/25/CE of 22 December 2006 as regards certain protection measures in relation to highly pathogenic avian influenza and movements of pet birds accompanying their owners into the Community is applicable. However, the Decision does not apply to the movement onto Community territory of birds accompanying their owners from Andorra, the Faeroe Islands, Greenland, Iceland, Croatia, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, the Vatican City State and Switzerland.

In Belgium, there are no specific rules for travelling with other pet animals than dogs, cats and ferrets. However, when the animals come from a non-EU-country, you should submit an application for permission to import to the Federal Agency for the Safety of the Food Chain through [email protected]."


Please check Spanish regulations, but based off this you need no certificates or vet approval for coming back to Belgium.

 

[SammyAndyAlex]

Jose is a spanish citizen living/studying in Belgium, so he is a foreign person bringing a cites/non-cites bird in the country when he comes back to Belgium ... so there will be some extra checks
(because he is importing/exporting something rather valuable, not just 'traveling with a pet' ... )


Best to be prepared.

Actually, according to EU law, all EU residents must be treated the same as the citizens of whatever EU country they are in. As long as he is there legally, which he is, there is no problem.

Also, as the parrot is already within the EU, it doesnt count as an import, as those are classed exclusively as from outside the EU.

 

[ChristaNL]

You are still just quoting regulations, I am talking to people who export, import and travel with diverse animals all over the planet ... as in a lot of other areas of life there is a HUGE difference between the theoretical site and the practical one.

One stupid official poking his finger in the carier at the wrong time can upset a lot of your travelplans, on the other: find an offical that actually likes animals of even better: has a parrot of his/her own and all problems disappear...

in both cases make sure your paperwork is all there!




Jose: first find an airline that will allow parrots ...

(they changed regulations *again* lately)
you still might end up on the interliner-busservice

 

[jousze]

I got some information.
Apparently the only thing I need is a vet saying that my parrot is healthy.
I don’t even need the microchip.
I found an airline that accepts parrots, the only thing I need for the moment is to ask them for a little room to show the carrier, so mambo can’t fly away!
Thanks to everyone


Jose