How do you bake? What do you use to bake with?

[shinyuankuo]

*Disclaimer: I don't have a bird "yet", so I am not harming any feathered kid by the way I bake. I'm looking forward to having a bird in the future.


Hi all,

It's the newbie needing guidance and your experience sharing again. This time I have questions about how you deal with baking while keeping things bird safe.

While I wouldn't call myself a cake baker, I LOVE using the oven to cook. To me, it's easy and quick to make food for large numbers of people. I feed 10-15 college students weekly, so I bake chicken, phyllo pie, pizza, puff pastry things...usually at 400ish F degrees. I occasionally use the boiler to finish the browning process.

I understand that I am probably not baking at a bird safe temperature. What I plan to do in the future is moving a bird to an outdoor cage when I bake/cook. Before bird comes back, ventilate and air purify. Does that sound like a safe plan?

Also, I know to get rid of "non-stick" trays, and I am very happy with my aluminum/stainless steel ones. However, it hit me last night when I learned that silicon mat is not bird safe (darn it! I loved my silpat...it never gives out any smell in my experience.)

Now, I starting to doubt aluminum foils and parchment papers being bird safe. I tried researching online but found conflicting information.

I can live without the silpat, and I can invest in stoneware/cast iron, but I use foil and parchment paper regularly. I am really hoping that foil and parchment paper are bird safe.

How do you handle baking with your birds? Any experience using the oven at higher temperature? What do you use to bake with? Opinions on foil/parchment paper?

Thank you!

 

[munami]

I use aluminum PTFE PTFOA free baking sheets or glass baking dishes. I don't believe that aluminum foil and parchment papers are bad for birds but it can be if they're ingesting it. Aluminum foil is often times mixed with tin that can cause heavy metal poisoning. I'm unsure about parchment paper but it does have a waxy feel to it and I would err on the side of caution.

I haven't baked anything for Luna yet but if I were to, I'd use coconut oil or maybe kraft paper as prevention from sticking rather than foil or parchment paper.

I always make sure to have the hood fan on when I'm baking and maybe a window open. The fumes are not good and not to mention the oven can get very hot just to the touch.

 

[Rival_of_the_Rickeybird]

Well I am a decent cook and baker, so I'll claim some expertise there, but the missus is the bird person. Over the years, she insists that the bird is rarely in or near the kitchen, and she has successfully purged all cookware except for stainless and cast iron, which suits my rustic style. Parchment paper and foil, if cleaned/removed completely, is fine as far as I can imagine. The wife just proofed and approved of this message.

hehe

 

[shinyuankuo]

Thanks for the replies. I am relieved that foil and parchment paper are ok. I guess, I will just have to be careful when I have a bird in the future.

 

[Inger]

I think there’s debate on the safety of silicone as well. I read somewhere that made in the USA is safe, China is not.

I emailed Reynolds about parchment paper and the coating is a food grade silicone.


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[munami]

It's just with some silicone bakeware, it does have PTFE PTFOA in it so I would double check with the brand you have.

 

[fchristian]

And if you are wondering while looking to purchase new cookware if it has PTFE PTFOA in it or not, Not having it in it is a selling point. They will never tell you that it is there but they sure will tell you when it's not!

 

[SailBoat]

The most important part of any Cooking or Baking is that the Kitchen has a Vent Fan to the Great Out Doors! Ventilate or better stated No Ventilate is dangerous resulting from heat and fume build-up. Turn the ventilate on prior to starting and shut it off after the aromas have come to a minimal level.

The terms PTFE /PTFOA not used in this product has no real meaning as the tiny change in the chemistry and the questionable manufacturer can stated they are PTFE /PTFOA free /not used. Unless it is thicker ceramic coated on a thick sub-surface (i.e. Heavy) one cannot trust the non-stick products.

There is a near endless list of silicone products and vast variations of its chemistry that a tiny error can be fatal to Birds and Humans as well. Once upon a time, one could trust "Made in North America" as safe, but off-shore manufactures have found ways of labeling that by not stating where it is manufactured they place it on the shelf and People buy the stuff! You may have noted: Packaged in North America, etc.. Yup, it is likely made in China.

Still have my Grandmother's Cast Iron pans and her baking glassware.

 

[LittleCanary]

*Disclaimer: I don't have a bird "yet", so I am not harming any feathered kid by the way I bake. I'm looking forward to having a bird in the future.


Hi all,

It's the newbie needing guidance and your experience sharing again. This time I have questions about how you deal with baking while keeping things bird safe.

While I wouldn't call myself a cake baker, I LOVE using the oven to cook. To me, it's easy and quick to make food for large numbers of people. I feed 10-15 college students weekly, so I bake chicken, phyllo pie, pizza, puff pastry things...usually at 400ish F degrees. I occasionally use the boiler to finish the browning process.

I understand that I am probably not baking at a bird safe temperature. What I plan to do in the future is moving a bird to an outdoor cage when I bake/cook. Before bird comes back, ventilate and air purify. Does that sound like a safe plan?

Also, I know to get rid of "non-stick" trays, and I am very happy with my aluminum/stainless steel ones. However, it hit me last night when I learned that silicon mat is not bird safe (darn it! I loved my silpat...it never gives out any smell in my experience.)

Now, I starting to doubt aluminum foils and parchment papers being bird safe. I tried researching online but found conflicting information.

I can live without the silpat, and I can invest in stoneware/cast iron, but I use foil and parchment paper regularly. I am really hoping that foil and parchment paper are bird safe.

How do you handle baking with your birds? Any experience using the oven at higher temperature? What do you use to bake with? Opinions on foil/parchment paper?

Thank you!

You can flower the pans. My great aunt would do it for everything, because nonstick wasn't around when she was young. This is why i do it too. You rub butter over the whole pan, then coat with flower over the top. You can do this for any pan you put in the oven and any food you are cooking. It works just as well as an alternative to tin foil and parchment paper. Using glass bakeware is especially good with this technique. Do not use spray-on oil, use butter or margarine sticks or even from the tubs.

 

[GivemeSeedsorgivemeFlesh]

Whatever is bad for birdie is most likely bad for us as far as plastic/oil based products go...this is the parchment paper I get because the other is full of PFOA type poisons. No plastic cookware in kitchen. Lead free glass, cast iron, melanine free wood and stainless steel. It takes research for each category and time and it is not cheap. Once you buy these things they should last forever. It is totally worth it not just for birdie, but for you and your loved ones. Will post a link that helped me.

 

[GivemeSeedsorgivemeFlesh]

 

[GivemeSeedsorgivemeFlesh]

Check out leadfreemama.com I think this parchment paper should be okay as it's nontoxic chlorine free no PFOA etc

 

[GivemeSeedsorgivemeFlesh]

Check out leadfreemama.com I think this parchment paper should be okay as it's nontoxic chlorine free no PFOA etc

Double check though because it does have silicone but it's just derived from sand/quartz/rock. Says abundant in nature and non toxic...

 

[GivemeSeedsorgivemeFlesh]

https://tamararubin.com/ she does reviews on products to find out levels of toxins in different brands

 

[SailBoat]

You can flower the pans. My great aunt would do it for everything, because nonstick wasn't around when she was young. This is why i do it too. You rub butter over the whole pan, then coat with flower over the top. You can do this for any pan you put in the oven and any food you are cooking. It works just as well as an alternative to tin foil and parchment paper. Using glass bakeware is especially good with this technique. Do not use spray-on oil, use butter or margarine sticks or even from the tubs.

Only change is do not use margarines or any 'soft' butter as they have water added! Block butter is the best because the water contain is low. Hence the secret to why Grandmothers baking was so wonderfully flaky!! If it is hard to cut at refrigerator temperature you will love it.