Hello! / Venting...

topher

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Zephyr (Red-Sided Eclectus)
Hi all,

I've not been one for message boards these past few years, but I do have a need to vent a bit, if you all can bare with me.

I have a 16 year-old red-sided Eclectus named Zephyr. I've had him since he was just a tiny lump of a baby at the bird store I worked at as a teenager and college student. I worked with and raised many, many birds, but Zeph is the friendliest, most social bird I've ever known. When he was a baby, I would take him out and hand him to every customer who came into the store. Now, if given the option, he prefers to meet new people, rather than stay near me. I'm still dad, though.

He's an Eclectus, all the way around. He's mischievous and messy and loud and talkative and goofy and wonderful. He's always been my buddy. My BIG buddy... Zeph has always been nearly 500g. He's bright... he knows to poop and say 'up' before coming out. He hops on command, shows off his wings, and likes to make fun of my voice. He puts his cheek up to get a kiss, but sneaks in zerberts. He snuggles under the blanket, and wants nothing more than to just sit on my knee while I'm at the desk.

When he was 2-3, he began plucking. Just a little around the neck, but still enough to worry me. He saw two different avian vets, but nothing could be determined. After a couple years of trying all different solutions, I just had to be resigned to it. He kept it limited, initially, so I wasn't too upset. It's appearance, he's always been healthy and happy otherwise. Some years ago, he started to escalate his plucking. It stepped up when I had to have him stay with a friend of mine while I returned to grad school. Now, he's just a mess of chewed feathers and damaged down feathers. But he's still the same wonderful boy. Just a little spotty on the outside.



Sadly, now my buddy is sick, and I'm sick with worry. A couple weeks ago, he developed a growth under his wing. It became fairly large, almost the size of a half dollar. It is yellow and crusted, and seems to encompass the top layer of skin, leaving it raw underneath. I kept him clean, but he began to become lethargic and didn't eat as much. He developed a slight squeak.

I found a wonderful vet practice nearby, who ran bloodwork, cultures, and an x-ray. His bloodwork came back with a white blood cell count of 30,000. X-Rays showed the possibility of metal, which was shocking, given the lack of accessible metal around him. Everything around him is either stainless steel or powder-coated (including an awesomely powder-coated bell, which he doesn't care about anyway.) His toys are all foraging and shredding toys, so I'm at a loss about possible metal. Liver values were normal, so probably not any kind of xanthoma. The vet prescribed topical cream (silver sulfadizine), Baytril with an anti-fungal, and an NSAID for pain. I am giving him some psyillium husk to see if we can clear out any possible metal, just to be safe.


Within 2 days of the vet visit, Zeph was back to normal. More active and energetic than I've seen him in weeks. But, the caveat here is that it is incredibly likely that Zeph has aspergillosis, and that his sudden energy is a result of clearing out an associated bacterial infection. I feel bad for my buddy, and worse that I did not catch it sooner. His wings look painful, but like most birds, he's a champ and didn't let on.


Meanwhile, I'm a doctoral student and make really terrible RA money, so this has already knocked out 1/14 of my annual income. Money is just money, certainly, but ouch. Of course, nothing would be as bad as losing my buddy, so Zeph's going in for the aspergillus test on Thursday. Hopefully his other cultures will give us answers of some sort.



Sorry for the long rant. I had multiple meetings this week that I was fully unprepared for, and people tend to give you a "uh....huh" look when you tell them that you couldn't think because you were worried about your bird. He's my buddy!


t
 
Vent away!! He's so lucky to have such an owner. If only most parrot owners were half as caring as you are, we wouldn't have so many sad predicaments. Good luck with your little buddy.
 
Welcome to the forum! :D

wow, I'm so sorry to hear that Zeph isn't doing well :( Eclectus are a species we know less about as parronts, and sometimes don't do as well in captivity. One thing that most parronts, and australian native eclectus breeders have come to a agreement on is that they don't do well on pellets. Eclectus should receive a diet that is almost entirely fresh and prepared foods. Only a small amount of pellets should be offered to fill in any nutritional gaps.

The bump under his wing seems really strange, could it be some sort of fat deposit?
 
Hi topher :) I'm so sorry for what you and Zephyr are going through. I know vet care is expensive, and I know that it is not just financially draining, but emotionally as well, so it's a double whammy. Self-plucked birds always tug as my heart for some reason. My male parrotlet had been plucking himself for several years before I got him and it's a difficult issue - although not life-threatening unless it turns into self-mutilation. I wish I could give you a hug. I do hope that the tests Zeyphyr has been given are conclusive and that it gives you a way forward with a good outcome. It is obvious you are about him a lot and that is a point that weighs heavily in Zeph's favor. Good luck.
 
Sorry you are having a rough time, but welcome to the forum. Hoping for a speedy recovery.
 
Oh, I fully get what you're saying about people and their "uh huh" comments if you worry about your bird! People who don't own and love birds don't get it, bloody heathens! ;)

I hope your dear Zepher gets well soon. He sounds like a wonderful pal to have.
 
Sorry for the tough time. Sounds like you found an excellent vet which many of us have a difficult time finding. No matter what happens you did your very best. And many of us here have spent money on our buddies when the money could have been spent elsewhere. I'll gladly give up a steak dinner to keep my animals happy. I'll buy pet supplies while walking in 4 year old sneakers.

We all do what we have to do to keep our pets happy and healthy. The sacrifice makes us better human beings.

Hope your buddy gets better!
 
Looking at the bright side, everything was caught in time and sounds like he is well on his way to recovery. Glad to hear he is doing well!!
 
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for the well-wishes. Zeph went back in for his aspergillosis tests today, so we'll find out how those went in a couple days.

His cultures came back, indicating FOUR distinct bacterial infections. Heartbreaking, but we have a course of action. Of course, four is a lot, let alone that one of them is pseudomonas. This is just me hypothesizing (this is what I do for a living, anyway) but it could be an indicator of a weakened immune system from something else... still, hoping not for aspergillosis, but we'll take it as it comes. Zeph received a doxycycline injection and is now on a course of ciprofloxacin, in addition to his silver sulfadiazine and metacam.


Zeph is more active and talkative now than he has been for weeks, now that I think about it. He was talking to the vet techs at the clinic today, so that's a good sign of him coming back around.

I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed.


t
 
Topher thanks so much for the update. And althouigh 4 infections is not good news, a course of action is, and knowing what the issue is 1/2 the battle. I'll keep my fingers crossed too.
 
It's reassuring that he seems a bit lively. Hopefully he is fighting it off. Get well, little bird!
 
It's heartbreaking to read. So glad you have found the issue and are able to do something about it. They become so much a part of the family.
 
G'day topher, welcome to the forum and hope your eccy is well soon. Pseudomonas is nasty, ended up with one of those on a skin cancer removal wound, and until it was picked up as the bug it was, was turning into a tropical ulcer. Awful. Your bird has more than that, so I feel for him. What are you doing PhD in? All the best of luck with your studies, as a mere "hobby" undergraduate level student (I'm closing in on 60) I am in awe of dedicated doctoral and masters students, and while I work and study a very light workload by distance ed., I do have some contact with u/g students and understand the financial constraints, especially with a visit to the vet plus test fees.
 
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Hi all,

I am still waiting to hear back on the results from Zeph's aspergillus tests, but he has been extremely lively and talkative. I'm not sure I've heard him be this vocal in years. He's certainly feeling better, although his yellow sores keep coming back. Hopefully we'll have a better idea in a day or two.


As for me, I am working on my PhD in social welfare, focusing on researching high-risk (gang-involved, incarcerated, or homeless) youth. I worked for several years as a counselor/correctional officer in a juvenile detention center before going back for my MSW... but I realized that what I loved was the research, and that I did not really see myself as a clinician. My favorite students and classmates are those in their 50s and 60s, because they bring a much needed perspective to the classroom.

The PhD is like a marathon for the brain. I work 60-80 hours a week and will do so for a total of 4-5 years. I am very privileged to do what I do, especially since they cover our tuition and pay us a stipend in exchange for research or teaching... but it's a very small stipend, and we are not allowed to work elsewhere. So, it makes for some very slim margins each month!

But, Zeph is my buddy, so we'll make do!

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So, aspergillus tests came back mixed. The electrophoresis results indicated he had inflammation, which we expected, given his various other infections. Antibody tests came back positive, but weak, so this indicates exposure at some point in time. The tests that specifically looked for proteins related to aspergillus came back negative. Of course, this test is not very sensitive.

The cautious route would be to give zeph a brief endoscopy, or an endoscopy with the surgical breathing component... Given zeph's energy (he's climbing around in my keyboard drawer right now), I'm going to hold off and see how he responds to the current treatment and check his WBC count and whatnots in 2 weeks.

Thanks for the well-wishes and giving me a place to vent! It's pretty frightening when our little friends get sick.

t
 
Sorry to hear all the medical issues with your baby. It came to mind for me to ask what are you feeding him? Frozen veggies or fresh? I saw on the news about some frozen veggies containing metal so I only feed fresh.
 
Oh, I fully get what you're saying about people and their "uh huh" comments if you worry about your bird! People who don't own and love birds don't get it, bloody heathens! ;)

I hope your dear Zepher gets well soon. He sounds like a wonderful pal to have.

HA HA, I almost spewed my coffee onto my screen when I read "bloody heathens!"...luckily I kept it at bay....oh my goodness.:rolleyes:
 
Sorry to hear all the medical issues with your baby. It came to mind for me to ask what are you feeding him? Frozen veggies or fresh? I saw on the news about some frozen veggies containing metal so I only feed fresh.

mikey, can you please eloborate?
 

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