Hands-off "biting" Timneh now regurging and asking for pets. Suggestions?

Gillis

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So over a month ago I rescued Paco from a Nature Center where he was loved and cared for for over 10 years but not understood and was without a constant, single companion. While at the center he had a reputation for being really mean and biting. Only certain people could handle him and at some point everyone got bit. He is also a moderate feather-plucker. He bites his feathers off, not plucks them out, so they don't regrow.

So over a month ago they asked me if I would like to adopt him; they knew it would be best for him to go to a home. I said yes and here we are.

Since he came home he has undergone many behavioral changes. From the moment I met him I sensed him to be a sweet, loving bird who has simply been misunderstood his whole life. He loves to try and communicate verbally and with actions, but his ways of doing so are not always what one might expect. He gets easily frustrated if he needs or wants something because he just doesn't know how to communicate that to people.

He has never bit me and I feel like he knows I am paying attention to his needs.

So here is my question/concern: Over the last two weeks this "mean bird" that never lets anyone touch him has been trying to regurgitate to me. He will lower his posture, hold out his wings, vibrate his body, work his mouth sometimes with foot coming up in it, and making unusual soft noises. During this time as I am with him he will take my finger and guide it to his wing or use his foot.

This allows me to pet his side under his wing and on his back. After a time of this I move to his head and begin petting his head exclusively. After a while of head-petting his regurgitation stops and he seems very relaxed and cuddly, though still in the lowered wing-out position.

I understand that regurgitating is a natural behavior for him and I don't want to encourage or discourage it. But right now I am encouraging it because it allows me access to touch him. I suspect that when he starts his regurgitating routine, he really just wants to be cuddled and just doesn't know how to ask for it so we have to progress there.

What do others think? Am I handling these situations appropriately? Do you think he will, over time, allow me to pet his head without going through the regurgitation process first?
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Re: Hands-off "biting" Timneh now regurging and asking for pets. Suggestions?

I forgot to mention: Paco has been meeting new people during this time and is very used to meeting new people at the Center. I am not overly worried that if I continue to encourage his regurging behavior that he will start to become aggressive.
 
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Some of my birds start regurgitation behavior when they get really excited over something, so just ignoring it or redirecting it is fine, it'll probably pass and isn't anything to worry about since he's really seeming to bond with you!!
 
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great picture especially the eye.
 
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Not only could encouraging the behavior result in possible aggression (towards you or towards other people), but it could also lead to increased hormones and consequently, stress. Although it is natural for birds to want to go through the mating and reproduction cycles, it is not normal for them to be sexually hormonal year round.
 
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Re: Hands-off "biting" Timneh now regurging and asking for pets. Suggestions?

Some of my birds start regurgitation behavior when they get really excited over something, so just ignoring it or redirecting it is fine, it'll probably pass and isn't anything to worry about since he's really seeming to bond with you!!

I'm not worried - I'm wondering if he is doing this as a way to get to cuddle and for me to pet him, as kind of a round-about way. He doesn't do this when he is excited, rather when he is super sleepy.

great picture especially the eye.

Thank you :)

Not only could encouraging the behavior result in possible aggression (towards you or towards other people), but it could also lead to increased hormones and consequently, stress. Although it is natural for birds to want to go through the mating and reproduction cycles, it is not normal for them to be sexually hormonal year round.

That is of course correct, and exactly why I posted this to get opinions from folks. I want to know why he is doing it, if he could have ulterior motives like cuddling, and whether or not I could still potentially touch him if we don't go through this regurg phase. Like I said, he has lived at a nature center and even since coming home he has met lots of people and has exhibited no aggression.

On another note, we had some progress today. He let me cuddle him for the first time today WITHOUT having to go through the regurgitating. We spent the afternoon outside in the 70 degree weather after his shower and he got really sleepy and cuddly. I tried using the hand motion I use to pet his head during his regurg process and it worked! He lowered his head and let me do it. No regurgitating today. I think he answered my question for me.

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The last one is him playing peek-a-boo around the tree, which he loves!
 
Re: Hands-off "biting" Timneh now regurging and asking for pets. Suggestions?

So happy Paco found you. Looks like you are doing truly amazing with him!
I love that peek-a-boo photo.

I guess I have not much useful to add to your initial question :(
(besides maybe to trust your intuition and to follow that)
 
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So happy Paco found you. Looks like you are doing truly amazing with him!
I love that peek-a-boo photo.

I guess I have not much useful to add to your initial question :(
(besides maybe to trust your intuition and to follow that)

Thank you, Chantal! He is so cute when he plays peek-a-boo, and it's his favorite phrase to say, so he actually says it when we play lol!

Actually, your advice IS helpful because I have been following my intuition and I guess I was just afraid that I was doing something wrong. :)
 
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Unfortunately, many birds don't know how to express themselves because they learn to act a certain way around people, and then when their affections don't get returned (i.e. a cockatoo that thinks that *all* petting is a form of sexual interest), they become stressed.

I'm glad Paco was able to enjoy some scritches without becoming sexually hormonal! :) I hope he continues to settle in and learn there's some things he doesn't have to do anymore!
 
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Unfortunately, many birds don't know how to express themselves because they learn to act a certain way around people, and then when their affections don't get returned (i.e. a cockatoo that thinks that *all* petting is a form of sexual interest), they become stressed.

I'm glad Paco was able to enjoy some scritches without becoming sexually hormonal! :) I hope he continues to settle in and learn there's some things he doesn't have to do anymore!

Thank you! We are definitely starting to form an understanding with each other, and appreciate your support!
 

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