Genetics question. Visual splits

[Jbonez]

I understand how visual and splits and double splits genetics work.
But how does a pineapple split mutation come about.
Two double split parents and they show up sometimes?

Not trying myself just have always wondered I see them at pet stores and online all the time the same as a few green cheek sun mixes I've seen aswell but that one could make more sense in my head cause I think just a male and a female sun and green sometimes make a fertile egg randomly?

 

[SilverSage]

Could you re-word your question? I'm not really sure what you are asking.


However it seems like you think green cheeks and sun conures routinely male babies, and they do not. As a green cheek breeder with a mutation obsession I can assure you of this.

I think you are actually referring to a "suncheek" which is not a sub conure hybrid at all. A sun cheek is a pure green Cheeked conure with the combined color mutations of cinnamon, yellow sided, and American dilute. Suncheek, like many of our modern colors of green cheek, was developed by Steve Garvin.


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[SilverSage]

And no, you cannot have "two split parents" in pineapple because pineapple is actually a combination of two sex linked mutations (cinnamon and yellow sides) and female birds cannot be split to a sex linked gene. Therefore it is impossible to have two split pineapple parents.

Could you actually clarify what specific situation you are talking about? Because you say you understand but your question indicates that you do not?


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[Jbonez]

I'm asking how Visual pineapple turquoise splits are made.
I understand how a pineapple and turquoise can produce green cheeks. Pineapples etc... but I'm asking how do the splits come up when there pineapple with turquoise wings

No I know how suncheeks are made.
I've seen aswell on the internet a clutch of green cheeks that produced with a sun conure and they made some funny baby's but I don't think that's common.

I have pairs myself yes turquoise female and a pineapple male and they produce pineapple females and male green cheek baby's with turquoise sex links.
But I don't understand how people are getting the visual mutations of beautiful cinnamons with blue wings or pineapples with blue.
Are both parents visual splits?

 

[SilverSage]

There is no such thing as visual split; a bird is EITHER visual OR split to a mutation, not both.

Do you mean visual
COMBINATIONS?

And turquoise is not sex linked... its recessive.

A pineapple turquoise is simply a female bird with one yellow sided gene, one cinnamon gene, and two blue genes, or a male bird with two yellow sided genes, two cinnamon genes, and two blue genes.

If I am getting this right, what you are actually asking is how to make turquoise-pineapples?

If so, BOTH parents must be either visual (two copies) or split (one copy) to blue. Blue is a RECESSIVE gene, not sex linked. That means regardless of gender each bird needs two copies of the gene to be visual. Each parent can only pass down one copy so both parents must pass down their copy of the blue gene to the baby in order for him or her to be visual.

For females you need the father to be visual pineapple or split pineapple, for males the mother must be pineapple and the father either visual or split pineapple.

Again, visual means the bird LOOKS that color, split means the bird CARRIES the color but you can't see it. "Visual split" isn't a term that means anything. I think you must mean visual combination


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