estrogen in foods? linked to our birds hormonal behaviour??

[suebee]

Menopause, Estrogen, Food and Estrogen, Foods Containing Natural Estrogens, Estrogen Inhibiting Foods, PMS, hormones, hormone replacement therapy, HRT

as title suggests, with nut still chewing her feathers and knowing how bald she can get when her hormones are rife, (not to mention, vicious!) i thought i'd do a little time kill, by looking at eastrogen type foods

i have no idea if this works or not, but can't hurt to try! :22_yikes:

i thought of this as when us women hit the menophause, we can to an extent contol it though diet, so why not for our birds??
well that bag of sunflower seed feed mix is now out of the window literally! as sunflower seeds fall into the high estrogen list. as well as soy and pomegranets! poor nut her 2 fav foods
i only got the seeded mix as nut was just wasting her harrison super fine pellets grrrr
she can how ever have melon, so i will assume the seeds are not in the high estrogen list. nuts been getting alot of pomegranet as its been, rather cheap of late, so now i just need to adjust the foods i give her, a simple change of shopping habit, and hopefully a less stressed out bird this winter!!!:bigeyes::18_crazy:

i do not think it will change her from her normal bitey behaviour, (but that has gotten alot better with increased cage time) but i want to remove :11poke: her more aggressive and extreme behaviours, as in flying attacks, having a fav person, plucking and chewing. i just want her to have a long and content life (i can't put happy, as i know in my heart, she would be happier wild, or mated :5_sad: either of which i cannot do for her)

 

[Auggie's Dad]

Good luck - but I'm pretty sure controlling her light cycle will have a far more significant effect than changing food items.

 

[suebee]

how does one change light cycles?? lol i am not expecting spectacular results, just like with all these remedies that promise to cure pmt lol

i just want to be prepared for this winters phase with nut, kinda like clutching at straws but she's worth the effort lol

 

[merlinsmom13]

It surely can't hurt anything to limit estrogen containing foods. We all know that estrogen keeps our feathers shiny, but it also makes us crazy.

 

[Spiritbird]

Both soy products and flax are phytoestrogens and can contrubute to egg laying in female birds.

 

[suebee]

Both soy products and flax are phytoestrogens and can contrubute to egg laying in female birds.

oh we'll defo be avoiding these:11:

i'm just hoping for a less bald nut this winter, that'll be a start

 

[Pedro]

If Nut grows feathers in summer then why pluck in winter. Would it have anything to do with heating in the home. I do know if there isn't enough humidity where the bird is kept, heaters dry the skin & it will get a bit itchy. I have also read that parrots do need the natural oils in the seeds to actually help skin & feathers. I feed my parrots as many different foods as i can possibly think of because they know what their bodies require at different times of the year. There are some foods they won't touch for a few months & then all of a sudden they will eat it. I do know my parrots will eat more when approaching breeding season.

Suebee I don't know if you have heard of these 2 products Avi-calm & featheriffic supposed to help with pluckers. I do know some of my friends that have pluckers have had great success with using both these products together. Maybe worth a try with Nut.

 

[Pedro]

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[suebee]

thanks i will look them up, its not so much the plucking she's got her new coat, and i have noticed the chewed feathers lately, some times she preens next to me an then i hear the distinct snip sound and see some of her feather ends float down, i do ignore this, its not all the time, its very gradual.
i say winter, but thats when she's in season according to a uk breeder i spoke with as her senes laid around feb/march time, and as soon as feb came along her feather issues stopped

i might be just gettin ahead of myself, but i like to be prepared lol

 

[suebee]

grrr i cannot find avitech in uk

 

[Auggie's Dad]

For controlling their light cycle its just regulating how much daylight they get (and how much sleep they get).

So closing blinds a bit before sundown and putting them to bed just a little earlier will have significant effects on their hormone cycles and put them in 'non-breeding' mode.

This is of course assuming the behavior is all hormone related.

 

[suebee]

when she was at her worse, she did the mating call, tail lift etc then the attacks as she wasn't getting what she wanted

she is now more her own bird.

 

[suebee]

grrr i have just rung norther parrots and asked them to put avicalm on there lists! thought they have never heard of it!

i've looked up the active ingriedient an its already in supliment form in uk, and no i ain't gonna attempt scraping bits of for the nut!

if this works as i have read a few other testamonies (however you spell it) on line, its worth a try

or i'll just give nut a green tea bath each day

nut already has about 12 hours covered sleep aday, and winter in the uk we're lucky to get 7 hours daylight lol

 

[Mayden]

grrr i cannot find avitech in uk

If you want I'll have a look around online/in my nearby stores and see if they've got anything that might be good for Nut?

 

[Mayden]

grrr i have just rung norther parrots and asked them to put avicalm on there lists! thought they have never heard of it!

i've looked up the active ingriedient an its already in supliment form in uk, and no i ain't gonna attempt scraping bits of for the nut!

if this works as i have read a few other testamonies (however you spell it) on line, its worth a try

or i'll just give nut a green tea bath each day

nut already has about 12 hours covered sleep aday, and winter in the uk we're lucky to get 7 hours daylight lol

I read that green tea is good too, maybe mist her with some cooled tea. I'll keep looking into soothing/anti plucking stuff for her.