Emergency

[Mohitgaur088]

Thank*god he's alive. Gave shine medicine using syringe deep in throat and from his (friends) right side to his left so that meds reach crop and not lungs. Her one nostril was blocked with some medical problem he was being treated for .medicine again came out of nostril and it was just too much..blocking nose. Thus open mouth breathing. She almost shrinked into her body and literally was out of breath....I had no option but to press her chest and give her breath using mouth idk if I good the right thing!
What caused it and what can be done now?

What a coincidence that only a few days earlier I had asked about CPR thing, and what I did today was a bit similar to that :-(

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[Mohitgaur088]

Both are same things anyway.....med is still in nostrils....and it's shine....she's being kept warm and in increased humidity!
She needs to be redosed....and other medicines as well! How to arrange everything!

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[Scott]

I wish I had save advice for you and Shine, my friend.

I wouldn't redose her until the normally unblocked nostril is clear and she is no longer exclusively mouth-breathing.

Ordinarily this would be cause to see an avian vet, but I understand your situation - you are doing the best possible.

Wonder if some sort of weak suction device such as a dropper might clear the normally unblocked nostril? But we are getting into theoretical actions and I have no veterinary expertise.

 

[Mohitgaur088]

I wish I had save advice for you and Shine, my friend.

I wouldn't redose her until the normally unblocked nostril is clear and she is no longer exclusively mouth-breathing.

Ordinarily this would be cause to see an avian vet, but I understand your situation - you are doing the best possible.

Wonder if some sort of weak suction device such as a dropper might clear the normally unblocked nostril? But we are getting into theoretical actions and I have no veterinary expertise.

Let's wait till EllenD or someone else with expertise comes in. She almost shrinked into her body and literally was out of breath....I had no option but to press her chest and give her breath using mouth idk if it was good. Now she's a bit better..... i dirtied her beak literally with my mouth....I cleaned beak..what else to do? Harm if i did that?

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[Laurasea]

Things are great huh , sorry to hear. You can gently hold her in your hands with her feet facing away from you, support the back of her head with your thumbs, and kind of flick your hands down , tipping the bird so her beak is pointed at the floor, and see if that clears her nostrils.. I don't know the volume of the medicine you are giving by mouth, if it is a small amount you can trickle it in at the front tip if the beak letting her control her head herself, and watch for her to swallow before putting in the next drop. Will she eat oatmeal, or apple sauce, or bread is scrambled eggs? Because you could add the medicine to a very tiny amount of food making sure she eats it all... Maybe EllenD will talk you through trying to flush out the nostrils. Ate you saying both are plugged now?

 

[Mohitgaur088]

Things are great huh , sorry to hear. You can gently hold her in your hands with her feet facing away from you, support the back of her head with your thumbs, and kind of flick your hands down , tipping the bird so her beak is pointed at the floor, and see if that clears her nostrils.. I don't know the volume of the medicine you are giving by mouth, if it is a small amount you can trickle it in at the front tip if the beak letting her control her head herself, and watch for her to swallow before putting in the next drop. Will she eat oatmeal, or apple sauce, or bread is scrambled eggs? Because you could add the medicine to a very tiny amount of food making sure she eats it all... Maybe EllenD will talk you through trying to flush out the nostrils. Ate you saying both are plugged now?

It was just 1 drop of medicine! Just one single drop.

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[Mohitgaur088]

One her nostril was plugged. Then we gave her medicine trying best to avoid any error. But then again medicine was flowing out of her nostrils, she could not even sneeze. As of now both nostrils look clear as she sneezed a few times and we did provide her steam and all. Not sure about what to try now....but what actually caused it? I made sure that syringe was deeper in her mouth and towards side of her crop!! It was just one drop, how can one go slow with just one drop!

Things are great huh , sorry to hear. You can gently hold her in your hands with her feet facing away from you, support the back of her head with your thumbs, and kind of flick your hands down , tipping the bird so her beak is pointed at the floor, and see if that clears her nostrils.. I don't know the volume of the medicine you are giving by mouth, if it is a small amount you can trickle it in at the front tip if the beak letting her control her head herself, and watch for her to swallow before putting in the next drop. Will she eat oatmeal, or apple sauce, or bread is scrambled eggs? Because you could add the medicine to a very tiny amount of food making sure she eats it all... Maybe EllenD will talk you through trying to flush out the nostrils. Ate you saying both are plugged now?

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[Laurasea]

If it is one drop , just drip it in her beak don't try and get to her crop or back of throat, just trickle it in. So glad to hear the nostrils have cleared. You can still hold her like I said and tip her down to clear the rest. You are doing the very best you can. Scott gave good advice, in trying to use a bulb suction to try and suck out. Birds secretions are very thick and dry, plus you could be dealing with fungal plaques... I'm rooting for you!!!

 

[Mohitgaur088]

If it is one drop , just drip it in her beak don't try and get to her crop or back of throat, just trickle it in. So glad to hear the nostrils have cleared. You can still hold her like I said and tip her down to clear the rest. You are doing the very best you can. Scott gave good advice, in trying to use a bulb suction to try and suck out. Birds secretions are very thick and dry, plus you could be dealing with fungal plaques... I'm rooting for you!!!

Fungal Plagues?..what's that???? Also, thanks for suggestions, I'll do as suggested. But I wanna know what caused it. Maybe I went in a bit deeper but I aimed it towards her crop only! How can that cause aspiration or something like that? :-(

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[EllenD]

Oh my...I don't suggest actually breathing air into her, as you can easily rupture her Abdominal Air-Sac doing that...Bird's lungs don't actually fill with air or expand, instead all the air they breathe-in fills their Abdominal Air-Sac, and if you use too much pressure it can rupture, and then that's it...

I don't quite understand how the medication is going up into her sinuses, as it should just go right down into her crop...At most you're giving her 1 or 2 drops of medicine, so I think maybe you're actually sticking the oral syringe way too far into her mouth/beak and that's why this is happening. You aren't actually trying to put the medication directly into her crop, as you will never be able to do that with an oral syringe; the only way you can ever put anything directly into the crop is with a "Crop-Needle", which is a very long tube that you actually insert right down the entrance to the crop and then you check to see if you can see the end of the crop-needle moving inside of her crop by looking at her chest, and then you inject whatever you're giving them into the crop directly...With an oral syringe, if you are actually trying to get the tip to the back of her throat where the opening to her crop is, you're probably causing her to actually breath the medicine in, which is very bad...The last thing you want is to aspirate anything into her lungs and cause Pneumonia...

All you need to do when giving her the drops of medications is to hold her in one hand and make it so she is facing you, then you insert just the tip of the oral syringe into the left side of her beak (HER left side, so your right side when you're facing her), and then aim the tip of the syringe over her tongue and across her mouth at a diagonal towards the back of the right side of her throat (HER right side, so towards your left side when she's facing you), and then you just inject the drop of medication into her mouth, not directly into her crop...The idea being that you're putting the medication, hand-feeding formula, etc., whatever, into her mouth but on the side of her mouth where the crop entrance is, and on top of her tongue, so that when you remove the tip of the syringe from her mouth she's going to automatically swallow it and it will go right into her crop instead of into her trachea...I think you're actually trying to force it into her crop and it's freaking her out, or you have too much of the syringe in her mouth or are using too much force and she's having trouble breathing, and she inhaling the medication right into the sinus opening at the back of her throat and right up her nose, just like we do when we inhale something we're eating/drinking and it comes out our noses...

The other possibility is that because one entire nostril is completely blocked that she's actually been breathing through her mouth all this time because it's too difficult to breath through her nostrils (too much resistance due to the blocked nostril), so since she's breathing through her mouth in the first place, when you are putting the drops in she gets nervous/upset and her naturally her breathing increases, and then she's breathing the meds right up into her sinuses...

Either way, make sure that you're only inserting the very tip of the syringe into her mouth/beak, ALWAYS ON TOP OF HER TONGUE, and just quickly push the drop of medicine into her mouth and then remove the syringe from her mouth, so that she actually swallows the medicine instead of breathes it up into her sinuses...

***This total blockage of one nasal passage needs to be resolved quickly, because it may very well be causing her to breath through her mouth and be causing her much stress and distress that is making her worse. The blockage is most-likely just a bunch of mucous from both her upper respiratory infections and also a bunch of mucous/pus/gunk from the conjunctivitis in her eyes, as they directly drain right into her sinuses...All of that junk has probably collected in that nasal passage, luckily far enough along that it's only on one side and not both...

***However, the other possibility is that the nasal blockage came first and is the entire cause of the infection to begin with...The only way to know that is to take an x-ray to see if the blockage is fluid/mucous/pus or if it's a growth of some kind, like a Polyp or a Cyst...An regular x-ray will show this immediately, but so would a nasal flush, because if the nasal flush with sterile saline doesn't clear the blockage and the flush only comes out of one nostril and nothing at all comes out of the blocked side, then you know she has a growth/mass causing the blockage, and it's probably been there for quite a long time and was actually the cause of all of this mess...

If you want to attempt a nasal flush it's not difficult to do, but you do need to have sterile saline available, along with a clean syringe with a small tip on it, and a syringe that will hold at least 6ml-10ml of the saline....It's not difficult at all to do, you simply hold her over a sink, with the blocked nostril facing down and the open side up, and then you simply fill the syringe with either 6ml or 10 ml of the sterile saline, whatever capacity syringe you have access to, and you put the tip of the syringe right up against/into the nostril on the open side that is NOT blocked (should be facing up), and then with gentle but even pressure you push the sterile saline into the unblocked nostril, and continue to push it in slowly but steadily, without stopping, until the saline either starts running out of the blocked nostril and you continue to flush all the saline in the syringe through it, or until the saline starts running back out of the side you're putting it in...If that happens, then it's a sure sign that it's a mass/growth blocking the nostril and not exudate...

 

[EllenD]

Something else to keep in-mind here is that she can fully breath through her mouth without an issue and she will automatically do so, just like we would, if she is unable to do so through her nose/nasal passages...So even if she is to inhale some medication up into her nose it's not at all necessary for you to breathe into her nostrils/mouth, as that will only cause very bad things to happen...She will automatically breath through her mouth if she can't through either nostril for some reason, and just like what happens to us when we get something up our noses, it will quickly drain down the back of her throat and she'll swallow it and then her open nostril will be fine again to breathe through...So I know it's hard to not freak-out when something like that happens, but it's only a drop or two of fluid and it will clear one way or another, and she's not going to drown in it, she will breathe through her mouth if necessary...

The same thing is going to happen during a nasal flush, they automatically start breathing through their mouths..I don't know if you've ever used a Neti-Pot on yourself, but it's exactly the same principle as doing a nasal flush on a bird. I've done it dozens of times and I've not once had any issues with the bird not breathing...It is important to remain calm while doing it, and you need to know that it does take a good 5-10 seconds of steadily and continually pushing the saline into the open nostril for it to make it's way through the sinus passages to the other nasal passage, to hit the blockage and start to clear it, and for the fluid to either start coming out of the blocked-side or start running right back out of the nostril you're putting it in...She'll be open-mouth breathing while you're doing the flush because she has no choice, so it's normal and it's okay...And even if the saline won't unclog the blocked side and it comes back out the open side, it will take a bit for it to all clear her sinuses and she'll be breathing through her mouth for a few seconds, but that's all perfectly normal...If you don't feed comfortable doing it then you shouldn't do it, but something needs to be done about it, either an attempt to unclog it, or an x-ray to determine what is blocking it...

Do you have a regular Exotics Vet near you or any Vet that will "see" birds and that also has a regular x-ray machine? They do not need to sedate her to take an x-ray, they can simply have someone hold her down on the plate by her outspread wings, sometimes it take two people, one holding her wings out and the other holding her feet,
but since all you need is a clear picture of her head it shouldn't be a problem to snap it quickly without sedating her...I certainly would not allow her to be sedated right now,
not even by short-acting gas like they usually use to take an x-ray, just because of the upper respiratory infection and the blocked nasal passage, and the fact that she is fighting both a bacterial and a fungal infection...Her odds of not waking-up are too high with the amount of stress she's under right now...but if they are willing to try to get an x-ray with her awake it's worth it to see what's going on...However, again, the nasal flush will also at least tell you whether it's a clog due to exudate from the infections/pus/mucous or a growth...

 

[Mohitgaur088]

I am sorry that I made a terrible mistake of Breathing air into her:-( Today, the medicine was coming out of both the nostrils, but before this incident one nostril appeared to be blocked. So maybe because of sneezes and all the nostril got cleared (chances that it wasn't clogged that badly??) I'll atleast give a look on the ways and techniques of a nasal flush in case it becomes a last resort someday. I tried my best to aim medicine in the best way possible out there, but I'll give more focus to this from now.
I've two questions...
1. What if some medicine actually reached her lungs and is still there? Can we do something about it? Some symptoms to look for! She's acting very fine as of now, she played around, ate, flew and is sleeping!
2. My mouth touched her beak! I tried to be clean though, Is there any big risk involved?

Oh my...I don't suggest actually breathing air into her, as you can easily rupture her Abdominal Air-Sac doing that...Bird's lungs don't actually fill with air or expand, instead all the air they breathe-in fills their Abdominal Air-Sac, and if you use too much pressure it can rupture, and then that's it...

I don't quite understand how the medication is going up into her sinuses, as it should just go right down into her crop...At most you're giving her 1 or 2 drops of medicine, so I think maybe you're actually sticking the oral syringe way too far into her mouth/beak and that's why this is happening. You aren't actually trying to put the medication directly into her crop, as you will never be able to do that with an oral syringe; the only way you can ever put anything directly into the crop is with a "Crop-Needle", which is a very long tube that you actually insert right down the entrance to the crop and then you check to see if you can see the end of the crop-needle moving inside of her crop by looking at her chest, and then you inject whatever you're giving them into the crop directly...With an oral syringe, if you are actually trying to get the tip to the back of her throat where the opening to her crop is, you're probably causing her to actually breath the medicine in, which is very bad...The last thing you want is to aspirate anything into her lungs and cause Pneumonia...

All you need to do when giving her the drops of medications is to hold her in one hand and make it so she is facing you, then you insert just the tip of the oral syringe into the left side of her beak (HER left side, so your right side when you're facing her), and then aim the tip of the syringe over her tongue and across her mouth at a diagonal towards the back of the right side of her throat (HER right side, so towards your left side when she's facing you), and then you just inject the drop of medication into her mouth, not directly into her crop...The idea being that you're putting the medication, hand-feeding formula, etc., whatever, into her mouth but on the side of her mouth where the crop entrance is, and on top of her tongue, so that when you remove the tip of the syringe from her mouth she's going to automatically swallow it and it will go right into her crop instead of into her trachea...I think you're actually trying to force it into her crop and it's freaking her out, or you have too much of the syringe in her mouth or are using too much force and she's having trouble breathing, and she inhaling the medication right into the sinus opening at the back of her throat and right up her nose, just like we do when we inhale something we're eating/drinking and it comes out our noses...

The other possibility is that because one entire nostril is completely blocked that she's actually been breathing through her mouth all this time because it's too difficult to breath through her nostrils (too much resistance due to the blocked nostril), so since she's breathing through her mouth in the first place, when you are putting the drops in she gets nervous/upset and her naturally her breathing increases, and then she's breathing the meds right up into her sinuses...

Either way, make sure that you're only inserting the very tip of the syringe into her mouth/beak, ALWAYS ON TOP OF HER TONGUE, and just quickly push the drop of medicine into her mouth and then remove the syringe from her mouth, so that she actually swallows the medicine instead of breathes it up into her sinuses...

***This total blockage of one nasal passage needs to be resolved quickly, because it may very well be causing her to breath through her mouth and be causing her much stress and distress that is making her worse. The blockage is most-likely just a bunch of mucous from both her upper respiratory infections and also a bunch of mucous/pus/gunk from the conjunctivitis in her eyes, as they directly drain right into her sinuses...All of that junk has probably collected in that nasal passage, luckily far enough along that it's only on one side and not both...

***However, the other possibility is that the nasal blockage came first and is the entire cause of the infection to begin with...The only way to know that is to take an x-ray to see if the blockage is fluid/mucous/pus or if it's a growth of some kind, like a Polyp or a Cyst...An regular x-ray will show this immediately, but so would a nasal flush, because if the nasal flush with sterile saline doesn't clear the blockage and the flush only comes out of one nostril and nothing at all comes out of the blocked side, then you know she has a growth/mass causing the blockage, and it's probably been there for quite a long time and was actually the cause of all of this mess...

If you want to attempt a nasal flush it's not difficult to do, but you do need to have sterile saline available, along with a clean syringe with a small tip on it, and a syringe that will hold at least 6ml-10ml of the saline....It's not difficult at all to do, you simply hold her over a sink, with the blocked nostril facing down and the open side up, and then you simply fill the syringe with either 6ml or 10 ml of the sterile saline, whatever capacity syringe you have access to, and you put the tip of the syringe right up against/into the nostril on the open side that is NOT blocked (should be facing up), and then with gentle but even pressure you push the sterile saline into the unblocked nostril, and continue to push it in slowly but steadily, without stopping, until the saline either starts running out of the blocked nostril and you continue to flush all the saline in the syringe through it, or until the saline starts running back out of the side you're putting it in...If that happens, then it's a sure sign that it's a mass/growth blocking the nostril and not exudate...

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[Mohitgaur088]

Something else to keep in-mind here is that she can fully breath through her mouth without an issue and she will automatically do so, just like we would, if she is unable to do so through her nose/nasal passages...So even if she is to inhale some medication up into her nose it's not at all necessary for you to breathe into her nostrils/mouth, as that will only cause very bad things to happen...She will automatically breath through her mouth if she can't through either nostril for some reason, and just like what happens to us when we get something up our noses, it will quickly drain down the back of her throat and she'll swallow it and then her open nostril will be fine again to breathe through...So I know it's hard to not freak-out when something like that happens, but it's only a drop or two of fluid and it will clear one way or another, and she's not going to drown in it, she will breathe through her mouth if necessary...

The same thing is going to happen during a nasal flush, they automatically start breathing through their mouths..I don't know if you've ever used a Neti-Pot on yourself, but it's exactly the same principle as doing a nasal flush on a bird. I've done it dozens of times and I've not once had any issues with the bird not breathing...It is important to remain calm while doing it, and you need to know that it does take a good 5-10 seconds of steadily and continually pushing the saline into the open nostril for it to make it's way through the sinus passages to the other nasal passage, to hit the blockage and start to clear it, and for the fluid to either start coming out of the blocked-side or start running right back out of the nostril you're putting it in...She'll be open-mouth breathing while you're doing the flush because she has no choice, so it's normal and it's okay...And even if the saline won't unclog the blocked side and it comes back out the open side, it will take a bit for it to all clear her sinuses and she'll be breathing through her mouth for a few seconds, but that's all perfectly normal...If you don't feed comfortable doing it then you shouldn't do it, but something needs to be done about it, either an attempt to unclog it, or an x-ray to determine what is blocking it...

Do you have a regular Exotics Vet near you or any Vet that will "see" birds and that also has a regular x-ray machine? They do not need to sedate her to take an x-ray, they can simply have someone hold her down on the plate by her outspread wings, sometimes it take two people, one holding her wings out and the other holding her feet,
but since all you need is a clear picture of her head it shouldn't be a problem to snap it quickly without sedating her...I certainly would not allow her to be sedated right now,
not even by short-acting gas like they usually use to take an x-ray, just because of the upper respiratory infection and the blocked nasal passage, and the fact that she is fighting both a bacterial and a fungal infection...Her odds of not waking-up are too high with the amount of stress she's under right now...but if they are willing to try to get an x-ray with her awake it's worth it to see what's going on...However, again, the nasal flush will also at least tell you whether it's a clog due to exudate from the infections/pus/mucous or a growth...

I'll talk to a regular vet here about X-ray! I wont go for sedating her. I try to keep myself very calm, but it was just odd for me. I mean it was just a drop or two of medicine and she was just shrinking into her body. I thought she wasn't moving at all, no movement of throat and neck even. Fast forward to an hour, she's back to 100% normal. Though I do regret breathing into her mouth :-(

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[EllenD]

Don't apologize, lol, I totally understand why you did what you did and why you freaked-out, it's your baby! I was just trying to explain to you that what happened was normal, no need to get all upset, and I certainly don't want you to accidentally hurt her while trying to help her and then have you feel awful and guilty about it...But nothing to apologize about at all!!! Just learn as you go, that's what we all do...

So if liquid is now coming out of both nostrils then that is a very, very good sign!!! It means that there most-likely isn't any type of mass/growth blocking her nostril, but rather just mucous build-up from the infections/conjunctivitis! This is a good thing!

Most-likely the liquid/medicine actually did a "flush" of the blocked nostril and cleared it, so as long as you don't see her open-mouth breathing there's no reason for an x-ray or a flush...Think of this situation exactly like what happens to us and what happens when we get a bad head-cold and one side of our nose is blocked-up, it's the same thing. A bird's sinuses are set-up exactly the same way that ours are (well, same basic design), where everything is connected: her eyes, ears, "nose", and throat are all connected by her sinus passageways, so anything she drinks can "go up her nose", any congestion/mucous she has in her eyes, lungs, or upper respiratory tract (bronchials) can end-up in her "nose" and cause it to become temporarily clogged. But she will always be able to breathe one way or another, whether it be through her nose or through her mouth...And her getting a clogged nasal passageway on one side or even both sides is not at all uncommon or unexpected really...Most nasal blockages eventually drain on their own, so either the liquid/medication that "went up her nose" flushed the blockage out, or the blockage simply finally cleared on it's own by draining down the back of her throat and into her crop, just like the way we swallow mucous. So as long as it stays clear or if it clogs again it drains again, she's fine and doesn't need a nasal-flush or an x-ray...If it was a growth/mass it wouldn't clear, so that eliminates that...And it sounds like she's doing much better, and that the medications are actually working to clear the infections...

How are her eyes looking? Is she still having drainage/gunk in her eyes/swelling? The eye-drops should be helping be now, along with the systemic antibiotic...What you have to worry about now is the Psittacosis coming back because it wasn't completely eliminated by the antibiotics and having her "relapse", so make sure you finish ALL of the Antibiotic, the Anti-Fungal, and the eye-drops, and that you continue the Probiotics for at least a week AFTER she finishes the Antibiotics...Hopefully it will finally clear the Psittacosis once and for all...poor thing deserves a break!!!

As far as the medication aspirating into her lungs, I highly doubt that happened. It was such a small amount to begin with, only a couple drops, and it obviously "went up her nose", so it most-likely just drained down the back of her throat into her crop....The signs of aspiration into the lungs include sudden wheezing when she breathes that you can hear and coughing, along with her becoming extremely lethargic and sleeping all the time due to the infection in her lungs...What happens when something aspirates into the lungs is that it causes the growth of bacteria and/or fungi in the lungs, and that happens pretty quickly...and then the infections grows inside of her lungs causing the wheezing/coughing and then general illness...So you'll know if this has happened, as she'll start coughing/wheezing and become very outwardly sick within a few days...I doubt it happened, but just keep an eye on her for those symptoms.

It sounds to me like she's finally on the up-swing!

 

[Mohitgaur088]

Don't apologize, lol, I totally understand why you did what you did and why you freaked-out, it's your baby! I was just trying to explain to you that what happened was normal, no need to get all upset, and I certainly don't want you to accidentally hurt her while trying to help her and then have you feel awful and guilty about it...But nothing to apologize about at all!!! Just learn as you go, that's what we all do...

So if liquid is now coming out of both nostrils then that is a very, very good sign!!! It means that there most-likely isn't any type of mass/growth blocking her nostril, but rather just mucous build-up from the infections/conjunctivitis! This is a good thing!

Most-likely the liquid/medicine actually did a "flush" of the blocked nostril and cleared it, so as long as you don't see her open-mouth breathing there's no reason for an x-ray or a flush...Think of this situation exactly like what happens to us and what happens when we get a bad head-cold and one side of our nose is blocked-up, it's the same thing. A bird's sinuses are set-up exactly the same way that ours are (well, same basic design), where everything is connected: her eyes, ears, "nose", and throat are all connected by her sinus passageways, so anything she drinks can "go up her nose", any congestion/mucous she has in her eyes, lungs, or upper respiratory tract (bronchials) can end-up in her "nose" and cause it to become temporarily clogged. But she will always be able to breathe one way or another, whether it be through her nose or through her mouth...And her getting a clogged nasal passageway on one side or even both sides is not at all uncommon or unexpected really...Most nasal blockages eventually drain on their own, so either the liquid/medication that "went up her nose" flushed the blockage out, or the blockage simply finally cleared on it's own by draining down the back of her throat and into her crop, just like the way we swallow mucous. So as long as it stays clear or if it clogs again it drains again, she's fine and doesn't need a nasal-flush or an x-ray...If it was a growth/mass it wouldn't clear, so that eliminates that...And it sounds like she's doing much better, and that the medications are actually working to clear the infections...

How are her eyes looking? Is she still having drainage/gunk in her eyes/swelling? The eye-drops should be helping be now, along with the systemic antibiotic...What you have to worry about now is the Psittacosis coming back because it wasn't completely eliminated by the antibiotics and having her "relapse", so make sure you finish ALL of the Antibiotic, the Anti-Fungal, and the eye-drops, and that you continue the Probiotics for at least a week AFTER she finishes the Antibiotics...Hopefully it will finally clear the Psittacosis once and for all...poor thing deserves a break!!!

As far as the medication aspirating into her lungs, I highly doubt that happened. It was such a small amount to begin with, only a couple drops, and it obviously "went up her nose", so it most-likely just drained down the back of her throat into her crop....The signs of aspiration into the lungs include sudden wheezing when she breathes that you can hear and coughing, along with her becoming extremely lethargic and sleeping all the time due to the infection in her lungs...What happens when something aspirates into the lungs is that it causes the growth of bacteria and/or fungi in the lungs, and that happens pretty quickly...and then the infections grows inside of her lungs causing the wheezing/coughing and then general illness...So you'll know if this has happened, as she'll start coughing/wheezing and become very outwardly sick within a few days...I doubt it happened, but just keep an eye on her for those symptoms.

It sounds to me like she's finally on the up-swing!

Her eyes have improved a lot They are back to normal and no visible swelling, the dried mucous has cleared up as well. Though I noticed little mucous in one eye two days ago but that was a lot less than what it used to be. I hope same happens with her bigger issues .....

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[AmyMyBlueFront]

Sounds like she is improving which is great..keeping fingers crossed here.



Jim

 

[Scott]

Glad to know Shine is doing better. Your dedication is most admirable, and you are likely making a huge difference. Any "mistakes" made are totally innocent and far beyond what the typical parront could or would attempt.

Shine is proving incredibly resilient!!

 

[Laurasea]

Great news!!! You are so amazing, taking such care abd going to such lengths to heal your baby

 

[ChristaNL]

(I am reading! I just do not want to complicate matters-- you are doing great together!)


Pushing a birds chest to help them breathe will not do anything because unlike human longs they are kind of rigid with a honeycomb structure (no bird will ever suffer a collapsed lung) - all the breathing/ air-movement comes from the airsacks.


Just one more thought about giving liquid meds if you are not very experienced ...
do not "fill" / spray or push anything in the beak at all.
It something my CAVs tell everyone who is not very sure: just put the syringe to the side of the face of the bird- where the "corner of the mouth" is.
You know- where the 2 beakhalves meet and there is a fleshy part.
If you put the liquid there it will trickle (almost by osmosis or something like that) into the beak, and the bird can swallow naturally instead of being forced to swallow more than it can handle.
Cuts down on accidents and the bird feeling like it is drowning in fluids.


You just have to make sure the head is steady and you do not let go untill the beak is completely empty again.
Absolutely riskfree!


(try it with a drop of water- you'll see)

 

[EllenD]

(I am reading! I just do not want to complicate matters-- you are doing great together!)


Pushing a birds chest to help them breathe will not do anything because unlike human longs they are kind of rigid with a honeycomb structure (no bird will ever suffer a collapsed lung) - all the breathing/ air-movement comes from the airsacks.


Just one more thought about giving liquid meds if you are not very experienced ...
do not "fill" / spray or push anything in the beak at all.
It something my CAVs tell everyone who is not very sure: just put the syringe to the side of the face of the bird- where the "corner of the mouth" is.
You know- where the 2 beakhalves meet and there is a fleshy part.
If you put the liquid there it will trickle (almost by osmosis or something like that) into the beak, and the bird can swallow naturally instead of being forced to swallow more than it can handle.
Cuts down on accidents and the bird feeling like it is drowning in fluids.


You just have to make sure the head is steady and you do not let go untill the beak is completely empty again.
Absolutely riskfree!


(try it with a drop of water- you'll see)

I don't think that he "pushed on her chest" at all, he actually breathed air into her beak/nostrils, which is what I was concerned about regarding her Abdominal Air-Sac, not her "lungs", as I stated they don't inflate/expand...

And I know how to medicate a bird, lol, and when I used the word "push" on the oral syringe, I meant it as a medical term that means "give the medication" (thought that was obvious)...None of his medications call for more than 1 drop or 2 drops as the dose, so nothing is going to "trickle in" to her mouth. Simply setting the tip of the syringe into this bird's mouth is not going to get the dose into her...