Considering a Grey for my next pet

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Hi everyone! I'm looking to get a baby african congo grey and raise him to be a trained bird. I just recently lost my beloved female eclectus parrot to an escape accident. She was trained to do several tricks but was not a talker. I miss our routines so much. I have always admired the african grey's intelligence. I grew up ranting and raving about Alex and Dr. Pepperberg. I have never met a particularly friendly african grey but I have fostered a timneh grey for my parrot rescue. He was no trouble really. Not too loud either. Are most greys on the quiet side when compared to other parrots? If I got a baby I would want to train him to a aviator flight harness(I), a flightsuit, and work with him from an young age on tolerating "scritches" and body handling. Do you think a grey would be a good match for me? I use the clicker training method.
 
So sorry about you losing your bird

My African Grey is absolutely friendly, with that being said not all AG are friendly.
All birds have their "loud" sessions" AG are not excluded. Certain times of the day birds love to be extremely vocal.
Some AG love their heads to be scratched and some do not, even though taught from a young age.
Most AG do not like physical handling eg: their bodies and tails being stroked.
Mishka does let me "touch" him all over most of the time, but there are days when reading his body language I know not even to attempt to.

Training a bird is so rewarding when it all comes together.

However no matter how much training and effort is put into it by the guardian, some birds including the AG refuse point blank to co-operate. It is up to the bird whether he is willing to learn.

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I think an african grey is the bird for me. I'm probably going to get a Timneh because they are cheaper in PA. I read they aren't very different from a congo besides size. After what happened to Echo I'm going to make sure he LOVES his harness. If I have it on him a lot when I first bring him home I'm sure he won't mind it. I'm pretty good with training. I'll just reward him every time I pet and/or body handle him. And the flight suit shouldn't be hard either. It would only be for special occasions, haha. I'm going to start with the clicker training as soon as he comes home. I'm hoping I can get a baby by January. I have an interview for a job tomorrow so if I get the job I will definitely have the money. If not my proven green cheeks just laid an egg. So if they hatch babies then I could sell them and put the money toward the babies. I have a huge flight/breeder cage for him to live in. It takes up the whole corner of the bird room and it has a playtop! He'll love it! He'll be able to fly and have a bunch of toys too. Well I hope it works out. Wish me luck! I'm sure I'll have more questions.
 
Where to begin.................
Congo African greys are nothing like timneh African greys. Hand fed African greys are nothing like hand tamed African greys. Clicker training is inappropriate for African greys is a sole teaching method, and is a direct conflict with Dr. Irene Pepperburg's theory of mind – use the clicker for emergency type things {ex:stationing, recall, drop it}, and stick to her stuff for just about everything else.
African greys need to be heavily socialized. This means whatever you're doing, the bird is with you or a family member – in fact, if the TV is on, who's ever is watching it better have a bird in their lap. They are not shoulder birds safely past age 10 or so – sooner for some individuals.
The feather tether harness is no longer made by the manufacturer {I talked to them on the phone} and is unsafe. Unless you're getting a custom-made piece, the safest mainstream harness is the aviator.
Now comes the really nasty part – costs.
You want a breeder that doesn't clip wings if you want the bird to fly properly later in small places like houses. There are many that will do this for all their birds, so you're going to be paying – that means private breeder, not a pet store – so PA prices become irrelevant. The vet fees will include a microchip and a DNA sex test, probably running you around $300 for a new baby but could go up to five if your extra cautious – have their avian vet picked out before you buy the bird and take the bird there immediately upon acquisition.
You're going to want the largest cage possible. Make sure the bar spacing is correct for a grey. A used cage is fine if you extensively sterilize it, otherwise you're going to have to buy new – think about $600 new and between 250 to 400 used.
The grey is not a calico macaw – as a rule, greys do not like having under their wing's touched even as babies. The harness may be a battle of bribes and constant diligence to make sure they don't learn how to slip it off.
Also, the grey will take over your household – in no other species is it more true that the bird is completely in charge. You would be the pet, not the bird.
If you're going to get a flight suit, a.k.a. a birdie diaper. Think of it as a nearly every day thing to keep the bird used to using it, or you will lose the option to use it – that also goes for the flight harness. My best suggestion is figure out a favorite food and associated only with these two items – meaning the only effect that food while wearing these two items.
Actually have a lot more to say on the subject, but I spent part of last night vomiting and I just woke up. I'm pretty sure it's food poisoning, as my refrigerator isn't sealing correctly and popping open on its own. In any case, that brings us to our next point:
African greys dig on the bottom of their cages and hide food. The food becomes rotten, and then they eat it. The vet can sometimes treat this with drops, but it usually involves wrapping the bird with the towel and injecting it a couple of times a day in the chest muscle with antibiotic.
I'm not telling you not to get the grey. I want you to get the grey. I think everyone should have a grey: if only because I think these birds are better decisions makers than the owners when you take both species as a whole ;-)
Seriously though, you going to have to heavily supervise the cockatiels cages when the greys out. These two species are not safe alone even with locked cages – I speak from experience. On that note, start bird proofing the house before the bird gets there.
You're not that far physically from some of my dad's relatives. From what I remember, he told me that place was freezing during the winter. They make bird clothes for that, but you'd have to get started training that one immediately – you buy them online. They're usually targeted at feather pluckers, but they will also serve to keep your bird warm if you can fit super to where them – I didn't know they existed until my bird was well into adulthood – and he wasn't going out enough to justify the stress of teaching an older bird to wear them. If you're starting with the baby, I absolutely recommend buying a few outfits – at least one which is slightly oversized in dimensions to an African grey for the training purposes of learning to wear them.
Let me know about any other questions you have, and I'll try to answer them. Meanwhile, make a list of what you want from the bird and that will decide whether it's a timneh or one of the Congo African grey variations(Cameroon, Congo, Ghana – North Carolina Royal bird company says the three variations are no longer relevant to the pet trade, and there looks can be achieved via diet because of the parents of birds from those three regions are essentially identical if fed the exact same diet from infancy. In the wild, there is a physical distinction, but it's epigenetically diet based}.
 
Thank you for your information. I would never use a feather teather. I know they are unsafe. I use aviators. There is few breeders of Timneh's in PA. I don't think I know of a pet store around here that sells anything but conures. I have an avian vet already and an emergency one. I like the timneh's because of the one I fostered. I'll be honest with you. I'm not tethering myself to a specific species because I know that most birds personalities are highly individual. I know this because I work for a parrot rescue. I would adopt another rescue bird but the ones at the rescue now are mostly aggressive and the cockatoo I'm fostering isn't my kind of bird. In an ideal situation I want a bird that doesn't mind being pet, can be trained to fly properly around the house, takes treats from your hand, craves attention, can go to other people, enjoys being around me, and can be worked with on noise.
 
As you are experienced bird owner, I think CAG's training won't be difficult to you. My pair of CAG can get very vocal at times (for example right now they are screaming like crazy). They are also very very very demanding. But on the other hand they are so much fun.
 
My CAG is very vocal but he doesn't scream ever. My Sun conure is more obnoxious than my grey.
I haven't done anything with training yet because he's only been home two weeks. He's five years old. We are just working on getting him comfortable being on his tree, cage etc. Also I just talk to him a lot and scratch his neck for him which he loves.

Out of 7 Parrots only two like neck scratches. My grey and my quaker. The rest hate it.
 

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