CBD Oil???

[gibson2503]

I got an email from a bird supplies website touting CBD oil for birds. What do you guys think?

 

[SailBoat]

Sad reality is that CBD products are not processed in an FDA approved facility for Human use. Which means there is no oversight in the production of the product. Hence, there is zero control of the ingredients with in a batch, let alone between batches or like competing products.

As of October 2019, there had been no scientific studies as to the benefit of the product let alone what dosage should be used or for what...

CBD is a product looking for an application.

IMHO, it's not ready for Prime Time use for Humans let alone Parrots. If you do not mind your Parrot being experimented upon, well that's your choice.

 

[Flboy]

Most CBD oil is absolute fake! And the real stuff? Regardless of any claims, a random drug test can ruin your life! Also, in many states, you can be charged with possession!

I have a bottle of very expensive, independently tested oil. It sits on my shelf, untouched for 8 months! Why? I am trying to land a position with FEMA!

 

[sunshinemama91]

I trust the FDA less than I trust a local organic pot farmer [emoji23] honestly with CBD you have to be SUPER careful where you get it from because of potential contaminants. But honestly, its probably fine. I'd recommend getting it from a legit dispensary where their labeling is mandatory vs some random company trying to sell you their product with spam mail. And figure dosing with maybe a certified avian vet or something idk.

 

[Kiwibird]

I live in a state where recreational marijuana is legal, so CBD oil and CBD "products" are EVERYWHERE as a result of the booming marijuana industry. While I do believe a quality oil likely has medicinal benefits, possibly even for birds, for what medical condition exactly would you want to use it for in your birds? I mean, do they have pain or cancer or plucking etc...? If there is a reason to try it, I might consider it after consulting with my vet, but parrots don't need a lot of fat in their diet and beyond any medicinal benefits, it's also a fat rich *oil*. To offer with no medical reason to do so seems like a bad idea and would probably mean you'd want to offer your birds less fats they actually enjoy like nuts and seeds.

 

[gibson2503]

Sad reality is that CBD products are not processed in an FDA approved facility for Human use. Which means there is no oversight in the production of the product. Hence, there is zero control of the ingredients with in a batch, let alone between batches or like competing products.

As of October 2019, there had been no scientific studies as to the benefit of the product let alone what dosage should be used or for what...

CBD is a product looking for an application.

IMHO, it's not ready for Prime Time use for Humans let alone Parrots. If you do not mine your Parrot being experimented upon, well that's your choice.

You raise some good points.

 

[sunshinemama91]

I live in a state where recreational marijuana is legal, so CBD oil and CBD "products" are EVERYWHERE as a result of the booming marijuana industry. While I do believe a quality oil likely has medicinal benefits, possibly even for birds, for what medical condition exactly would you want to use it for in your birds? I mean, do they have pain or cancer or plucking etc...? If there is a reason to try it, I might consider it after consulting with my vet, but parrots don't need a lot of fat in their diet and beyond any medicinal benefits, it's also a fat rich *oil*. To offer with no medical reason to do so seems like a bad idea and would probably mean you'd want to offer your birds less fats they actually enjoy like nuts and seeds.

Ooo speaking of oil! Gotta be careful to know what KIND of oil is in the product, often it's not actually oil from the plant, but extracted USING cooking oil. If they choose to use avocado oil for that process, you're going to kill your birdo! Made this way I believe its actually considered a tincture, but can still be called "CBD oil." Unless it's made from a process such as making essential oils (I believe that's a special kind of distillation) or pressed, it's not 100% CBD oil. Even then they may add stuff in to give it a favorable consistency, flavor, color etc.

 

[ParrotGenie]

Where to start with CBD oil. I keep it simple without the THC, it fake pretty much and has no benefit. Just another way to scam people out of hard earn bucks pretty much. The real stuff with THC may, or may not has some medicinal benefits, but depends on how it was processed as no FDA or processed in an FDA approved facility. The stuff available at most shops are made from a different plant species than “medical marijuana".

It the same issue that causing the vape deaths, it not the nicotine products for the most part, but the illegal vape THC cartridges causing the deaths as Vitamin E acetate is sometimes used to dilute THC oil in vape cartridges. As it get the greasy vitamin E acetate in their lungs. It to cut corners pretty much. That what you have to worry about.

The different between Hemp, or Marijuana? Yes the CBD with less than 0.3% THC level is the stuff you see everywhere flooding the market.

Although marijuana and hemp can both come from the cannabis sativa family, they're distinctly different. Marijuana is bushier with broader leaves, while hemp is leaner with shinier leaves. It's differences in their chemical composition that really set them apart, though. More than 100 chemical cannabinoids are found in cannabis, but the amount of these cannabinoids differs dramatically between hemp and marijuana. Marijuana's most common cannabinoid is tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) -- the chemical cannabinoid associated with the plant's psychoactive effect. In marijuana, THC levels can reach 30%, depending on the strain, but THC levels in hemp are less than 0.3%.

The low levels of THC in hemp mean that, unlike marijuana, it has historically been used for industrial purposes. Hemp's rapid growth and strong fibers made it ideal for crafting durable rope, clothing, sail, and paper.
Although hemp won't get you high to sum it up.

Compared with other myths, this one is exceptionally perilous and potentially dangerous. Let’s start with the fact that although the CBD itself is being better researched every week, and the results are promising, it is nowhere near to being recognized as a medicine on its own? Second, the studies concern pure CBD, not CBD oils, or hemp/cannabis/marijuana as such (though many studies of the latter do attribute some of their subjects’ effects to CBD). Any medical statements in line of “CBD hemp oil heals this or that”, are not only cynically foraging on the hopes of consumers, they are simply illegal! This issue is so sad – as a result of irresponsible marketing (also whisper campaigns), often based on horrendous statements like “CBD oil cures cancer”, the whole market, including honest manufacturers, could suffer.

Most the CBD hemp oils available in shops and shelf everywhere pretty much have nothing to do with medical marijuana. Firstly: they are made from a different plant species than “medical marijuana”. Second: only a very specific form of cannabis (unpollinated female inflorescences) can be called “marijuana.” Last, but not least, even marijuana itself and „medical marijuana” are two very different things, the latter being, of course, subject to dozens of strict regulations. We can see, then, that the CBD hemp oils are three major degrees of separation away from the „medical marijuana”: different species, different preparation, different product class – comparing it with medical marijuana, is like calling a Orange a Apple yes both are fruits, but clearly not the same.

Where medical marijuana market is well regulated, then you have real medical-grade CBD oils available – such oils are made from plants used to obtain medical marijuana, and meeting the purity requirements for pharmacological products and that stuff offer benefits everything else you have to be careful as not regulated and you will then have quacks and frauds of all sorts are trying to cash in consumers’ naivety and good will, advertising CBD hemp oils as universal panacea, and making irresponsible medical statements. Now with all that stated, so good for keeping it simple? I won't recommend for birds as still a lot of unknowns for humans as no real standard set in place yet?

 

[SailBoat]

Once again, as of October 2019, the last time I really looked at this subject, there was only one (1) Certified Avian Vet 'beginning' research of the use of CBD oil with Parrots. As we know, research with Parrots is painfully slow as minor variations in dosage can cure or kill.

As of December 26, 2019 my CAV does not recommend the use of the product!

Whether one trusts FDA or not is a personal choice. At the very least when something goes wrong, they can track it! In a non-certified facility there is no requirements what-so-ever, none.

David, brings forth an excellent point. When there are no documents required whether the product does or does not contain THC become highly problematic!

I have Federal and State Licenses that require yearly drug testing and I choose to avoid contact with CBD. Also, more Insurance Companies will not issue liability insurance or will pull the insurance if THC resisters in a drug test.

Take care out there, the laws are still fuzzy and if your employer, insurance group or License provided does not allow its use, your loss can be huge.

 

[Aspie_Aviphile]

Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as they have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country so additives arent allowed to be toxic just because the company asks nicely. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there. I wish I could get the medicines I do take from the Netherlands, it's a less corrupt country in general than the UK so I trust all their regulators more than ours.

 

[ParrotGenie]

Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.

FDA here in the US is a whole topic on it's own and just look at the whole vaping epidemic fiasco and misinformation they spread, that they are responsible for? It all about who paying them more at the end of the day? They even paid people at hospitals to lie hold up signs and etc and state it was nicotine products and not THC carts that cause the lung issues to spread fear?

 

[SailBoat]

Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.

Yes, you are correct regarding the Netherlands!
That said, it is like any other prescribed drug in that its production is overseen by the Government! i.e. produced in an approved facility with full over-sight.
No competent Doctor is going to prescribed a drug in which there is no controls regarding the ingredients and their proportions. Plus the equipment is cleared on occasion.

Happy for you and your ability to obtained the product directly from the Netherlands. But, take care of the 'knock-off' versions coming out the Eastern Europe.

North America is still very early in this process. Once legit organizations create a formula with trackable ingredients and complete the testing that every other drug is required to complete. It will become available as a prescription product in North America. As present, those organization currently involved in the marketing of the product are unwilling to start that process.

North America will catch-up quickly as there are huge revenue opportunities for Government. And, all Governments are looking for MONEY. And that is where the 'stories' about big Drug Companies pressuring Government not to approve fall about... The reality is that those manufacturing CBD today, Do Not Want Government approval as the MONEY is flowing in without it!

Without question, Big Drug is already formulating and will have a Government approved product on the market within three or so years! But, the greatest concern of Big Drug is the Placebo Effect that maybe a larger factor as application must start with a target illness that is effects positively in scientifically verified studies by more than one research group.

And now we have come full circle: CBD is a Product Looking for an Application.

 

[SailBoat]

Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.

FDA here in the US is a whole topic on it's own and just look at the whole vaping epidemic fiasco and misinformation they spread, that they are responsible for? It all about who paying them more at the end of the day? They even paid people at hospitals to lie hold up signs and etc and state it was nicotine products and not THC carts that cause the lung issues to spread fear?

Slight correct here: What FDA Approved and What was Black Marketed are two very different things! Unless you mean 'they' as the Black Marketeers!

 

[ParrotGenie]

Can you order some from the Netherlands? The FDA is totally new to the subject and have financial incentives not to put any effort into research or regulation as the have a revolving door with its competitors in the patentable medicine industry, whereas doctors in the Netherlands have been prescribing it routinely for years with no problems, they know what they are doing and have a strong culture of putting consumer health before industry as a country. When people in other parts of Europe can't legally obtain medical forms of cannabis, we go to the Netherlands for prescriptions, they're very competent there.

FDA here in the US is a whole topic on it's own and just look at the whole vaping epidemic fiasco and misinformation they spread, that they are responsible for? It all about who paying them more at the end of the day? They even paid people at hospitals to lie hold up signs and etc and state it was nicotine products and not THC carts that cause the lung issues to spread fear?

Slight correct here: What FDA Approved and What was Black Marketed are two very different things! Unless you mean 'they' as the Black Marketeers!

Yes two very different things as sort of explained earlier, but FDA is the issue as well, but a whole another topic that could take pages to explain.

 

[ParrotGenie]

North America is still very early in this process. Once legit organizations create a formula with trackable ingredients and complete the testing that every other drug is required to complete. It will become available as a prescription product in North America. As present, those organization currently involved in the marketing of the product are unwilling to start that process.

North America will catch-up quickly as there are huge revenue opportunities for Government. And, all Governments are looking for MONEY. And that is where the 'stories' about big Drug Companies pressuring Government not to approve fall about... The reality is that those manufacturing CBD today, Do Not Want Government approval as the MONEY is flowing in without it!

Without question, Big Drug is already formulating and will have a Government approved product on the market within three or so years! But, the greatest concern of Big Drug is the Placebo Effect that maybe a larger factor as application must start with a target illness that is effects positively in scientifically verified studies by more than one research group.

And now we have come full circle: CBD is a Product Looking for an Application.

Even large vape companies have yet to summit a PMA application and deadline getting close. You are a 100% correct on this one. "The reality is that those manufacturing CBD today, Do Not Want Government approval as the MONEY is flowing in without it!" Both sides are to blame as well.

 

[dhraiden]

Marketing's purpose is to make you buy things, which you often do not need, and can sometimes even harm you. Remember that. You should question your sanity if you consider seriously an intent to drug another creature as 'beneficial' without consultation to a trained medical expert.

 

[wrench13]

When they find the species of parrot that nibbles on the theoretical CBD plant , thats the day I would even consider bringing it near Salty. Just my opinion.

 

[tfw]

I just read an article about how products for pets that claim to contain CBD actually contain little to no CBD. And it's highly unregulated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/all-bark-no-bite-some-cbd-pet-products-contain-virtually-n1111841

 

[mica21493]

I did use CBD oil for my TAG with terminal cancer. She responded to this better than meloxicam. It made her a bit sleepy and she seemed more relaxed. At that point we had nothing left to lose and I would try anything. I found a site online with some people who had personal experience using it and a dosage scale so we gave it a shot. It seemed to give her some relief and I’m glad we used it, but I would probably only use it again if I ever had a bird in a similar situation.

 

[AmyMyBlueFront]

My ex has MS pretty bad now She swears by the oil and "other" concoctions.
It is legal for medicinal use here in CT,highly regulated,need a license and all that hoopla.Don't think I'd give it to my birdy though.


Jim