Breeding Mutations

[missylynn]

I know that it is frowned upon in aviculture to cross-breed. However, I am wondering about mutations -- is it okay to mix various mutations in breeding? (i.e. Turquoise GCC with Pineapple GCC, Normal Sun Conure with Red-Factor Sun Conure, Lutino Cockatiel with Normal Grey Cocatiel, etc.)

 

[MikeyTN]

How you think they get all that mutation??? It's from mixing different mutations together. None of these mutations exist out in the wild. Except for Albinos at times, but they usually never make it out in the wild. For example, if you have a Lutino Male Cockatiel and you mix with a Basic Color Female like Cinnamon, Pearl, or Grey. All your baby Girls will be Lutinos while the baby boys will be poor pieds depending on the mother's coloring. Or sometimes depending on the hidden gene on the parents. IF you mix a Lutino to a Lutino, all their babies will mainly be Lutinos again that certain factor MAY pop out depending on the hidden genes. BUT a word of caution when you mix mutations, for example, Lutino to Lutino, Albino to Albino, the babies tend to have more health issues and their head tend to go bald worse and worse every time you mix the new generation again with the same coloring. To the point from the back of the crown to the neck will be all bald. So you MUST be careful and read up on your genetics before trying to mix different mutations together. I used to breed mine for certain coloring. I did a lot of genetics research....

 

[missylynn]

Thanks for the post. Any books or resources you would recommend?

 

[MikeyTN]

Thanks for the post. Any books or resources you would recommend?

I used to subscribe to Bird Talk, it a great magazine!!! I subscribed to it for many many years before. You can google gene mutation for certain specie and there used to be a calculation table but im not sure what site its on cause I haven't been breeding for 10 years. You have to look for specific breed handbook for breeding. Some will offer genetics table. Good luck!

 

[Conurekidd]

How you think they get all that mutation??? It's from mixing different mutations together. None of these mutations exist out in the wild. Except for Albinos at times, but they usually never make it out in the wild. For example, if you have a Lutino Male Cockatiel and you mix with a Basic Color Female like Cinnamon, Pearl, or Grey. All your baby Girls will be Lutinos while the baby boys will be poor pieds depending on the mother's coloring. Or sometimes depending on the hidden gene on the parents. IF you mix a Lutino to a Lutino, all their babies will mainly be Lutinos again that certain factor MAY pop out depending on the hidden genes. BUT a word of caution when you mix mutations, for example, Lutino to Lutino, Albino to Albino, the babies tend to have more health issues and their head tend to go bald worse and worse every time you mix the new generation again with the same coloring. To the point from the back of the crown to the neck will be all bald. So you MUST be careful and read up on your genetics before trying to mix different mutations together. I used to breed mine for certain coloring. I did a lot of genetics research....

well mutations developed from either interbreeding, or the genetic mess up. chromozones dont match, and provides diffrent suffusion in the plumage. and with tiels there no acual "albino" but white face lutino. as for the bald trait, thats completly correct!! you can breed out of it though! simply pairing a ino hen with a another split lutino wf ****.
the way i had gotten my lutinos were through a wf **** split lutino and cinn pied pearl hen.. therefor the "non lutinos" were decent pieds, or gorgious pearls.. also had another wf split lutino (****) paired with a wf pied (heavy) hen whiteface lutinos every time. had one extreamlly heavy pied wf and one clear eyed pied too.

 

[MikeyTN]

Albino is the common name, but yes Lutino Whiteface! When you get in deeper into mixing pieds or pieds to solids, there's limited chances what you get out of the babies as long as there isn't any hidden genes involved. When they mix a lutinoxlutino, its 100% male/female lutinos. While if you mix a lutino male to a pearl hen then offspring would be 50% lutino females, 50% heavy pied males. I understand your logics but I was explaining the part where people don't understand and the birds suffer from the mistakes....I bred Cockatiels 15 years ago.....

 

[Conurekidd]

YES THEY DO!! Thankyou. I did breed tiels but don't anymore. Breeders/pets stolen out the aviary. No joke!! One prized purple ribbon. The heavy pied wf.
And sorry when mutations get brouht up I get all tingly because it's my main study in birds. I don't wanna say parrot because there not " true"'parrots.
And I don't breed inos. Ever. To unbalanced. But I have .
My key was very very heavy pieds. And whiteface lutino first generation.
I never use albino because there not white. Infact there blue but we can't see it.
When all melanin is removed preventing the grey pigment to deposit to the feathers and normally grey areas. Back feet beak wings belly have no dark pigment
When grey and yellow pigment is removed from face and crest as well the blue pigment shows full glory. Aka white! .
Some wf inos are showing blue in the eye region. Though iv never seen it. I know theres a blue mutation cockatoo but it appears white. Some with a blue eye ring.
I haven breed as long as you. But the people I raise with and share mutations know ALOT. Showing there offspring every other month. Iv seen emeralds, deep fallows, saddle backs, and gorgeous inos. Plus more at the shows. Amazing. Mutation wise I'm gonna breed gcc. I know one in the south that has mutations so shocking most have not heard of. Like the abino gc as well suncheek which I hate that name. Plus more. Even a deep blue. Head to tail. she has a website too. I can post a link. .