Are Quaker parrots conures?

[April12]

I want to understand parrot species better and I'm just wondering can Quaker parrots be considered conures because they have all the characteristics of a conure.


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[noodles123]

I am not sure, but they are identified separately...
I mean, a square in math is technically a type of rectangle, so I dunno if this is one of those questions, but I can't really help you there...because I still think of squares and rectangles differently, despite the technicality/overlap.

Try researching taxonomy and see if you can find more.
https://animals.mom.me/quaker-parro...Quaker parrot and the,of 29 to 30 centimeters.

Apparently they have some decent similarities because quakers have been called "quaker conures" according to this site, HOWEVER, conures are not listed as invasive, so in my estimation, they are different in some respects-- I mean, people's conures have escaped but they haven't established breeding populations in the US in the same way as quakers (conures aren't illegal in certain states either...whereas, quakers are. I am not sure if that is a valid point when assuming they are different or not, but it COULD be..
https://www.cabi.org/isc/datasheet/74616

Biologically they are similar, and you might be able to argue that they are "the same" based on features TECHNICALLY, but I still assert that their differences (socially, legally and physically) are enough for me to keep calling them different names.

here is a list of states in which quaker ownership is reportedly illegal:
http://www.pecanacrespets.com/pdf files/Quakers Legal.pdf

 

[Rozalka]

Once time I wanted to ask the same question because it is a very good one



In taxonomy there's nothing like "conure". We can't say "parrot A is a conure but B not". It is not a genus, tribe or familly, it is a word used by aviculturists. In each language other genera are called "conures". For English speakers - no, QP isn't a conure but for Spanish or French speakers - yes, they definietly are conures. I think it is so confusing.
From the beginning I was learning about parrots from English sides and I use word "conure" as it is used in English.... but my native language is Polish - there we have so many parrot names and it is very hard to say what is the conure or not. Commonly when we (Poles) say "conure" we mean genera Aratinga, Eupsittula, Psittacara, Thectocercus, Guaruba, Ognorhynchus, Leptosittaca and Cyanoliseus (the last one less often is called as conure) but it is not the end - I joined to a Polish conure Facebook group where as conures were also Pyrrhura and Myiopsitta (here is the quaker parrot). And there it was so confusing - sometimes people were asking "why are here quaker parrots and Pyrrhura despite they aren't conures". The answer was they are - the mentioned genus Cyanoliseus - Patagonian conures usually also aren't here called as conures but sometimes is used a name which meaning is exactly "Patagonian conure". I mentioned I was basing on English sites - I have also an English book about conures and there's no info about QP's. I totally couldn't understand why they say it is a conure - I understood Pyrrhura but why QP? At this moment I know it depends on a country.
I hope you understand my story - the word "conure" is confusing, especially when there are so many names - at this moment in English 11 genera are called "conures". In Polish the same 11 genera have.... 9 different names including 6 are rarely used (5 are popularly as conures and 1 is called the same as Pyrrhura). It so confusing... and then in the mentioned group I was very confused...

 

[noodles123]

Once time I wanted to ask the same question because it is a very good one



In taxonomy there's nothing like "conure". We can't say "parrot A is a conure but B not". It is not a genus, tribe or familly, it is a word used by aviculturists. In each language other genera are called "conures". For English speakers - no, QP isn't a conure but for Spanish or French speakers - yes, they definietly are conures. I think it is so confusing.
From the beginning I was learning about parrots from English sides and I use word "conure" as it is used in English.... but my native language is Polish - there we have so many parrot names and it is very hard to say what is the conure or not. Commonly when we (Poles) say "conure" we mean genera Aratinga, Eupsittula, Psittacara, Thectocercus, Guaruba, Ognorhynchus, Leptosittaca and Cyanoliseus (the last one less often is called as conure) but it is not the end - I joined to a Polish conure Facebook group where as conures were also Pyrrhura and Myiopsitta (here is the quaker parrot). And there it was so confusing - sometimes people were asking "why are here quaker parrots and Pyrrhura despite they aren't conures". The answer was they are - the mentioned genus Cyanoliseus - Patagonian conures usually also aren't here called as conures but sometimes is used a name which meaning is exactly "Patagonian conure". I mentioned I was basing on English sites - I have also an English book about conures and there's no info about QP's. I totally couldn't understand why they say it is a conure - I understood Pyrrhura but why QP? At this moment I know it depends on a country.
I hope you understand my story - the word "conure" is confusing, especially when there are so many names - at this moment in English 11 genera are called "conures". In Polish the same 11 genera have.... 9 different names including 6 are rarely used (5 are popularly as conures and 1 is called the same as Pyrrhura). It so confusing... and then in the mentioned group I was very confused...

you answer was way better than mine
Thanks! Interesting

 

[MonicaMc]

To my knowledge, quakers can't hybridize with conures, so that might be enough to say that they aren't conures....

but then again..... conures can hybridize with macaws, amazons and even caiques... I don't know that amazons have been hybridized with any other species, but the first caique hybrid, outside of, well, other caique species, is supposedly to a macaw...

So it may not really mean much at all. I do know that all conures can probably hybridize with each other, to a lesser or greater degree... we already have Aratinga x Psittacula, Aratinga x Guaruba (x Aratinga), Aratinga x Eupsittula, Aratinga x Pyrrhura.... Cyanoliseus may have also bred with 1-3 other species of different genera?


I can't say that helps at all... maybe makes it more confusing?

 

[Rozalka]

we already have Aratinga x Psittacula, Aratinga x Guaruba (x Aratinga), Aratinga x Eupsittula, Aratinga x Pyrrhura.... Cyanoliseus may have also bred with 1-3 other species of different genera?

Aratinga x Psittacula ????????? It is imposiible to crossbreed them - they are in two different famillies I think you meant Psittacara Then I agree.




When I was confused about conure meaning I was looking in a bit other way - mainly on classification. All conures belong to Arini tribe but quaker parrot not. Classification is based on kinship so it means quacker parrots aren't as close conure cousins as macaws (and it is visible in hybridization mantion by Monica).
I'll add that in French as conures are understood all conures, monk & cliff parakeets and thick billed parrots. The last one I hadn't been mention before because they are less known. If somebody asked me thich billed or quacker parrots are more conures I would say thick billed parrots because they are more related to conures (they also belong to Arini)




To the conure hybridization: if I remember correctly genus Enicognathus also had been crossbreed - maybe with Aratinga? And I think Thectocercus also was crossbred.

 

[noodles123]

So what is the verdict?
Are they, or aren't they?

 

[Rozalka]

So what is the verdict?
Are they, or aren't they?

It is imposssible to say. Conures aren't a taxon. Fot native English speakers definietly they aren't conures but everybody may have own opinion if QP's are conures or not and it is always true. In my opinion they aren't. I am one of not many Poles who say Pyrrhura genus is a conure but QP not. In general here in Poland we have two meanings of "conure":
1. typical conures (Aratinga, Eupsittula etc but not Pyrrhura)
2. conures and QP's (I don't know yet what other Poles think about thick billed parrots)


I think everything depends on how parrots are usually called... on a Polish parrot forum (where I am) Pyrrhura, monk & cliff parakeets and typical conures have 3 different subforums (like here conures and QP's have two different subforums)