Any thoughts on which mutation this is?

[WesselG]

Hi everyone

I have a bird of about 3 months old that I'm not sure which mutation it is and is hoping someone here might help me out.

I tried to post a picture on indianringneck.com but the pic was too big and I'm not sure how to resize it.

Wessel

 

[amjokai]

I would guess albino, but its eyes aren't red.

I am trying to learn the mutations and genetics before I buy my first IRN I found this site pretty good
Psittacula krameri

 

[thekarens]

Looks grey to me. Can't be albino without red eyes.

 

[amjokai]

Yeah.. That's what I thought... Do greys look that white sometimes?

 

[Dinosrawr]

Albino males are known not to have red eyes if they're albino split to lutino, if I remember correctly.

EDIT: scratch that, I found where I read that and it was something different. But, from what I've found from other sources is that if it doesn't have red eyes but has a light beak and light feet that it's probably a "light phase" blue pallid:

Or it's a grey that has yet to go through its first molt and develop it's grey colour. There's also silver IRN's, so it could also be a white headed silver cinnamon:

IRN's are crazy genetic wise

 

[MonicaMc]

Albino and Lutino are technically the same mutation. One is green phase (i.e. has yellow) and the other is blue phase (i.e. no yellow).

I can't tell if the ringneck is blue or grey (still of the blue phase - green birds can be grey, too!), but I do agree with the pallid assumption. It may be hard to tell for sure what mutation it is until the bird has gone through at least one or two molts - as the color may strengthen then.



This thread is 4 months old. I wonder if the OP has figured out the mutation(s) in the meantime?

 

[WesselG]

Thanks to everyone for the replies.

I haven't figured out the mutation yet but I can confirm that the red eyes have turned black.

The flight feathers has changed to a darker cinnamon while the beak and feet are all light colored.

 

[MonicaMc]

Cinnamons eyes do turn dark (as do pallids), where-as fallow and ino eyes remain red.

Sounds like the bird may be cinnamon, not pallid. Do you have any new photos showing the color changes?

 

[WesselG]

Monica,

I don't have any new pics but I could take some. Any part of the body that I should concentrate on while trying to take the pictures?

 

[Dinosrawr]

I would focus on wing tips, back, and near the neck. Two full body shots from the side and from the back would likely be sufficient

 

[WesselG]

OK, I'll try to accomplish that...now to get the critter to sit still for the camera, lol.

 

[WesselG]

I've asked the opinion of the breeders on indianringneck.com and they said it's a Cinnamon Grey PallidIno.

Not sure if you guys agree.

 

[WesselG]

Just a quick update on a very old thread.

I had this bird surgically sexed yesterday and it is a male. For the life of me I can't remember which parent but one of his parents (which I unfortunately did not get to see) was definitely lutino and the other four siblings I saw all had patches of lutino so it's a safe bet that he carries the gene for lutino.

For those interested in genetics/breeding: which mutation would be a good match if this bird is indeed a Cinnamon Grey Pallidino?