Alex and Me

antoinette

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"Mishka"
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7 Years old
I recently finished reading Irene Pepperburg’s most recent book, Alex and Me. When Irene Pepperburg first started working with Alex, many people scoffed and laughed at her. Parrots were thought of as “bird brains.” While it might be possible to teach them to repeat back answers to simple questions, the bird wasn’t actually “thinking” or “reasoning.” However, in Alex and Me, Irene Pepperburg repeatedly proves her critics wrong.

If you’re not familiar with Alex, he was quite the parrot. Irene Pepperburg studied animal intelligence and learning with Alex, an African grey parrot, for 31 years until his death in 2007. The book is an entertaining portrayal of Alex’s life, including how his training helped us discover more about the remarkable intelligence of birds.

Irene Pepperburg’s method for training Alex began with model-rival techniques. Alex would watch Irene Pepperburg teach something to another human. Then, he’d get a chance to participate as well. He would watch a human answer questions about colors and shapes, while Irene Pepperburg rewarded correct responses and corrected wrong answers. After observing for awhile, he’d be given a chance to answer questions as well.

Alex had quite a complex understanding of how to describe the world around him. For example, if presented with two yellow wooden squares, he would be able to answer correctly the follow questions: What color? How many? What material? What shape? The objects were not just associated with a single response. Rather, he could examine an object and then answer a variety of questions about it.

There is still debate among scientists about if Alex and other African grey parrots are truly “thinking.” However, whatever you call it, whether thinking or high-level complex discrimination, Alex’s accomplishments demonstrate a very high level of learning. One of the most interesting aspects of this book is that it shows just how little we understand about how animals learn and how much an animal is capable of learning. What more would Alex have accomplished if he had lived another 30 years?

Animals are capable of learning a great deal, more than most people realize. Many people perceive animals as dumb or less intelligent. However, in many cases, this is not because the animal is dumb, but because we know so little about their actual ability to learn. For instance, a simple goldfish is perfectly capable of learning a few tricks! Most animals are a lot more capable than we give them credit for.

I’d recommend this book to anyone interested in birds, parrots, animal training, or animal intelligence. It’s interesting and informative and packed with fascinating stories. I felt like I got to know Alex and was continually amazed as I followed along through his life.
Check out the video FANTASTIC
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There is still debate among scientists about if Alex and other African grey parrots are truly “thinking.”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6KvPN_Wt8I&feature=player_embedded
As someone who often gets dragged into those debates you are unfortunately correct. Though they are completely absurd.

Scientists are rightly skeptical when someone claims an animal has human characteristics. It's productive to argue for the simplest explanation. Even if it seems like 'intelligence' it could be something simpler. The problem is when people use different standards for animals that they do for humans. They argue that we can observe an animals behavior and responses but we can't know anything about it's 'subjective state' to determine if it is similar to that of humans. That's about when steam comes out of my ears - I can't know anything about any HUMAN'S 'subjective states' either. If we applied the same rigorous standards to evaluating human cognition as we do to animals we would have to conclude that there is no evidence of humans having any cognitive abilities above that of any animals.

All such debates are just dualism in disguise. People used to think [some still do, and run the risk of offending them] that animals were 'just' biological machines but we humans had a 'soul' or 'spirit' or some supernatural component of 'mind'. While some forms of religion - not all mind you - still believe this is the case such thinking has no place in a scientific study. Animals are biological machines, so are humans. There is no 'magic' in the human brain that gives us any qualitatively different capacities than animals. We do have our strengths and special skills, but so does every other species.

Anyhow, most of the debate comes from an improper perspective: skeptics balk at the idea of animals being ascribed 'subjective states' that were once limited to humans as there is no evidence of such states in animals; in reality it is not that animals are more like humans than we once thought, but that humans are more like animals than we once thought - there is no evidence for those subjective states in humans either!

In the end there is no scientific grounding for such debates - it all amounts to human ego and conceit. We have always desired to be and thought we were somehow 'greater' than nature - in the Judeo-Christian traditions this is the greatest (aka Original) sin. The pride and arrogance to separate ourselves from other life and say we are not like the animals... but we are. We are JUST like animals because we ARE animals.

Anyhow, if you're looking for a great book that details much of the research on animal intelligence I'd suggest Sara Shettleworth's book "Cognition Evolution and Behavior".
 
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We are JUST like animals because we ARE animals. SO TRUE
Waiting for the book stores to open, will be first customer in 2010 to get my copy of Cognition Evolution and Behavior
Thanks AG
Great New Year
 
Looks like the second edition just officially came out this week. I got to meet Sara not long ago, brilliant woman, she was still worried about the new edition though as the publishers had screwed up some of the figures.
 
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You lucky guy WoW meeting her (I am jealous) LoL
Either way I AM GOING TO GET HER BOOK
Take care
 
I agree with all that has been said by Antionette and AD. It was a good book. I laughed and cried. Alex left a legacy that will remain alive and continue to grow with the other greys Dr. Pepperberg is working with. She also did an hour interview on PBS and they do play it once in a while. She is part of the reason I chose an AG to share my life. I should have names her Alexandra instead of Rosie.
 
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Rosie is great !!! how about Rosie Alexandra.
Sounds good to me.
Wish I could hear the interview on PBS
Take care
 
It is a pleasure to be on this forum with all of you. This is my first post and I would just like to say "Stay tuned." In the coming weeks, there will be an opportunity to take part in a exciting effort to include avid bird lovers in the making of...the motion picture! You are all the first to know! I will post more information soon! Thank you for expressing your passion for the story, Irene, and the bird that will remain in our hearts for a long time to come. -J Dinner
 
How Exciting!! I wish Rosie could have met Alex and he would have taught her to talk. She is not responding to my teaching very well.
 
It is truly amazing how smart our birds are, and how much they can pick up. I cringe whenever I hear the term "bird brained". Has anyone read about the crow that went snowboarding down a mountain, or the one that learned to crack walnuts by dropping one onto a busy road and letting a car run over it? These are just a few examples, but birds and other nimals are capable of so much more than we humans realize.
 
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How Exciting!! I wish Rosie could have met Alex and he would have taught her to talk. She is not responding to my teaching very well.

If only all our wishes became a reality !!!
I wish I could met you, Rosie and Christine. :63:
Just imagine Rosie and Mishka together LoL, we would never get a word in:eek:
 
That would be so neat, SB.

Thanks for the notification, J. I will certainly be looking forward to the movie!
 
Alex and Me... I laughed and cried while reading it. I had always been a "dog person" After reading this book I too went on the hunt for information to purchase a bird. It took me about a year before buying my Sophie" a timneh. She has given me so much love and I am amused by her constantly. It is a huge responsibility but an even bigger reward. She is now 7 months old and starting to make those sqeeky talking noises. Everything she does is a wonderment to me. Knowing the special mind and potential these birds have I am now a "crazy bird woman" !
 
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Alex and Me... I laughed and cried while reading it. I had always been a "dog person" After reading this book I too went on the hunt for information to purchase a bird. It took me about a year before buying my Sophie" a timneh. She has given me so much love and I am amused by her constantly. It is a huge responsibility but an even bigger reward. She is now 7 months old and starting to make those sqeeky talking noises. Everything she does is a wonderment to me. Knowing the special mind and potential these birds have I am now a "crazy bird woman" !

I stand by you 100%
It is a huge responsibility but an even bigger reward.
PS. To be a member on this forum, you have to be bird crazy LoL :eek: :D
 

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