adult birds with no eggs at all..HELP

[crosue]

help!! have 5 budgies, 3 boys and 2 girls.. got them last summer hoping that any of them will be laying eggs soon.. they were already 1 year and 6 months now and still they are not laying eggs.. their brothers and sisters where i got them have already laid eggs 2 times. 3 months ago, I've visited the breeder whom i got them and noticed 4 new budgies that were hatched from the parents of my pets, meaning, they are brothers and sisters too.. the breeder told me that they are only 2 months old that time but they are already laying eggs.. only 2 months but have laid 2 eggs during my visit.. im trying to figure out what had happened to my pets, why they still don't lay eggs up to now..can you help me guys?? by the way, they love fruits and veges have vitamins, and love to scratch and eat cuttlebone (i have changed 3 cuttlebones already), have nest boxes, and have indeed mating dance but still have no eggs.

i just want them to lay eggs, been prepared myself mentally and emotionally on the new babies that will be coming since the day i got them but no result.

thanks for the help guys..

 

[ShellyBorg]

They may be inbreed to the point of being infertile. Your breeder should have never sold them to you knowing you wanted to breed.

 

[DallyTsuka]

i don't think it is a good idea to breed these birds. from the sounds of it, there is a good chance these birds are all related and inbred, which can lead to some fatal deformities in the chicks. it would not be very kind or responsible to breed inbred and related birds. a good breeder works on improving the species you won't get that with inbreeding

 

[MarciaLove]

you shouldnt inbreed birds its very unhealthy and not good it does nothing good for the breed! Also they may not be bonded mates they must be bonded to each other to produce eggs and chicks and they need the right diet as well.

 

[crimson]

Inbreeding is just plain wrong. It leads to weak chicks, or infertile eggs.
It puts unnecessary stress on the hen laying eggs which are doomed to fail.
you should separate your birds that are related and buy new birds from another breeder.

It's a good thing they have not laid eggs.

 

[Birdlover1]

I agree with everyone else.
You should get some other birds from a different breeder that are not related at all.

 

[crosue]

thank you everyone for the information.. i really didn't know about inbreeding and you guys have given me a spark bout it so thank you so much. ;').. i am first time owner of birds so im really struggling for good. lol.. so it's a good thing that they did not breed at all. can you guy tell information that might be helpful for me to breed good quality species of bird. and how can i start breeding too..thank you in advance

 

[DallyTsuka]

what i would do is find birds from different breeders.


breeding is a careful and delicate process, and it's also difficult. before taking the leap into breeding, i would do as much research as possible

i would do the research before even getting new birds.

you should research cage sizes for breeding pairs, suitable nest boxes, suitable wood shavings (cedar and scented pine are toxic!) to put in the nest box, how much bedding to put in the nest, diet to feed your birds, proper perches, how to spot problems in your birds before they become an emergency, how to make sure your birds get proper calcium and vitamin D3 (both very important for laying hens), how to handfeed babies (you need to know how to do this safely! doing something wrong, even seemingly minor, can cause problems like sour crop, yeast infection, crop burn aspiration, beak deformities, etc), research problems that can happen to chicks (splay/spraddle-leg, parents plucking, signs of dehydration, signs of digestion problems, etc), research the proper temperature for handfeeding formula to be sure to avoid crop burn (too hot) or slow crop (too cold), be sure to research handfeeding schedules and thickness of the formula compared to the age of the chick, research research research

even if you dont plan on handfeeding, you need to be prepared in case the parents reject a chick or feed it wrong. you will need to step in. so you will have to be sure your work schedule fits this busy job.

breeding birds is complicated and should never be taken lightly. so much can go wrong, and the more research you do will lessen the risks.

healthy non-related birds of a proper breeding age should be chosen if you do decide to breed.

i'm not trying to scare you. i am trying to encourage you to do research to decide if breeding is really for you. a good breeder works on breeding good personality and for strong healthy birds. the goal should be to improve the species. budgies today are often so badly bred that many don't live as long as they could. good breeders work on breeding healthy birds with good genetics to help improve the species health. i would try to work on this goal if you do decide to breed

 

[starrynightxxi]

Some animals are more tolerant of inbreeding than others, but I'm not sure how birds handle it, so listen to those with more experience. That said, line-breeding has it's place in most realms that I am more familiar with. It's a good way to strengthen specific traits that you are working to achieve, and not immediately a red flag, BUT, except with fish, I'm not aware of any breeders that recommend breeding such CLOSELY related animals.

I would definitely agree with others and suggest separating the birds and increasing the base bloodline you are working with. I would also suggest having a goal before jumping into breeding. It doesn't have to be a complicated one, but having goals will give you a direction to work in, so you aren't just another person churning out hundreds of parakeets willy nilly.

A good baseline is ALWAYS healthy birds with good temperament, once you have that, you can work for specific colors or patterns.

 

[MikeyTN]

You should always get different blood lines to intermix them, never as brothers and sisters IF your translating it correctly. I would say your breeder is full of it telling you the female laid eggs at 2 months old. At 2 months old they're barely weaned and learning to fledge, also doing a lot of playing. They're still learning to socialize and a female will only mate once she goes into season when her cere turns crusty brown. Also Parakeets does best in a colony breeding situation. Should always place the pairs separately in same exact cages at the same height and nest boxes facing same direction. Unless you have a large aviary and you can attach all the nest boxes at the same height. So please do learn a bit more about breeding before you proceed!

 

[crosue]

thank you so much dally, stary, and mikey.. :') the information you guys have given me is really informative and it'll help, not only me, but a bunch of parrot owners who are just beginning to breed their pet. I really appreciate it. glad that i've opened up that situation. thank you!!! it is really a BIIIGGGGGGGGG help for me..

by the way i have just read some article in inbreeding and i have found out that there are some breeders who were engaged in inbreeding: father&daughter, mother&son, uncle&daughter of uncle's brother, etc. but NEVER brothers and sisters just like mikey said.. What happens in inbreeding is that when two related birds are bred, their progenies will be more homozygous (more purer). The consequences or the inbreeding depressions are: lowered immune response, reduced resistance against climatic influences, shorter body length, reduced fertility, survival rate, stunted growth, shorter life expectancy and physiological vigor. The more closely related birds are inter-mated, the more radical these consequences are (Inbreeding - To Do or Not To Do ByWillie Wilsson C. Nepomuceno). They're doing it to make the the kind more purer and To breed the "ultimate bird."

But since you guys already helped me a lot in my upcoming project (breeding) by opening my mind on the inbreeding outcome, i will look for pairs from different bloodline and from different owners so that i can get the best result. and i will research more bout it.. Im already sure that i'l be a good breeder because of your help guys. i will never inbreed budgies..

so thank you and goodluck for me..lol.. thanks for the information.. since im just new to my upcoming project, im looking forward that you'll help me again..hehe..thank you!!!!

 

[DallyTsuka]

good luck and never be afraid to ask questions it's the best way to learn.

 

[crosue]

thanks again.. how i wish i'll be able to get breeding pair soon so that i can show you their progress.. thank you