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[kiwithecockapoo]

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[SilverSage]

The answer is yes; all the birds you have listed ARE different species. But no, too much difference and the offspring aren't viable.


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[ParrotLover2001]

I've seen a hybrid of a galah cockatoo and a cockatiel, galatiel. It's not impossible, but it's close to impossible. You won't be seeing any hybrids like that, it's a very very rare thing.

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[SailBoat]

The answer is yes; all the birds you have listed ARE different species. But no, too much difference and the offspring aren't viable.
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Another way of looking at this practice is that it is not unlike inner-breeding. Both processes tend to push either to the weaker combination of the DNA mix or to the stronger end. That said, with successive breeding combinations the trend is always to the weaker. What is neat at this moment turns ugly in the future.

 

[itzjbean]

I've heard of different species bonding and attempting to mate, but never having fertile eggs. The genetics have to line up just right, and in those cases it just doesn't. Would definitely be an interesting looking baby, but I've never seen such a thing. Of course I've seen lots of macaw, conure, cockatoo hybrids, but nothing cross-species like that.

 

[Aquila]

Some species between genuses can interbreed, such as Aratinga conures (sun, jenday, nanday, etc) and Pyrrhura (green cheek, black cap, crimson belly). But crossing genusus such as an aratinga x pyrrhura can happen very rarely, the babies often die before hatching because of genetic issues. Macaws are in the same genus, so they cross easily, and even Galah's and Cockatiels are supposedly close enough but again, possible genetic issues.

 

[SilverSage]

To my knowledge there has only ever been one "galahtiel" and it was an accident that is very loved by the owners but was not intended.

I have heard RUMORS of the aratinga/pyrrhura cross but never evidence.

Let's be clear here because words are important. Sun conures and jenday conures are DIFFERENT SPECIES but the same Genus, just like the different macaws are different species from each other. They aren't breeds like Persian cats and rag doll cats, they are DIFFERENT SPECIES like lions and cheetahs.

But to the OP, even if you decide to get a same genus bird to the one you already have, it is quite simple to prevent breeding through responsible parrot ownership so no need to worry


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[LordTriggs]

having a look at Galatiels and they appear amazing! Bu definitely not something that should often be done.

Silversage is right on the aratinga and pyhurra conures. The Suncheek is actually called American Dilute and is just an extremely rare colour mutation. they're called suncheeks because they do appear to look like tiny sun conures

I definitely agree, as opinionated as parrots are it's not hard to keep them from the doing the diddly

 

[SilverSage]

Actually, the suncheek is a green cheek with all three of the following mutations;
Yellow-sided (opaline)
Cinnamon
American Dilute

But you are correct it is a MUTATION not a HYBRID


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[clark_conure]

I think this line of questioning might end to the human race. I don't mind genetically engineered foods (most foods have been adapted over time) but you start mixing some birds and it might very well be the end of humanity, or at least freedom. We might be in chains giving baths to bird or worse yet veloci-raptors come back.

 

[Tsali]

I would think that it is possible, although not desirable OR easy to accomplish. I say this because there are cross breeds that occur in the wild such as the coywolf which is a coyote-wolf hybrid with some dog mixed in. There are also mules which is a cross between a mare(female horse) and a jack(male donkey) and a cross between a stallion(male horse) and a jenny (female donkey)chich produces a hinny.

My personal belief is that we humans sometimes mess with things that should be left alone. I have been told by breeders of mules that the negative traits and weak genetics of the parents are proliferated by mixing the two species to create a sub-species.

 

[SilverSage]

Clark has a point.


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[clark_conure]

ROFLMAO I F***ING love you SilverSage

 

[SilverSage]

Well that's good! Haha.

I'm not a huge fan of hybridization to be honest, but I don't mind it under a couple of criteria:

-neither species is rare
-the offspring are CLEARLY HYBRIDS and cannot be mistaken for a pure bird
-there are no known complications from that particular pairing.

You won't ever find me hybridizing unless it's the only way to save a dying species, but at this point I'm not going to eliminate the practice either. So I would rather see it done responsibly than Willy-nilly.


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[DRB]

How did red CAGS come about?

 

[SilverSage]

That's a naturally occurring genetic mutation that has been selectively bred stronger WITHOUT hybridization.


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[kiwithecockapoo]

Thank you for all the answers. I now have a far better understanding of these hybrid birds.

Personally, I think hybrids are interesting in general. From hybrid dog breeds to hybrid animals of different species, I love researching about them.

Ever since I got my first bird a few years ago, I learned about hybrid birds and always wondered whether they have to be really similar species or not. I guess not lol. But still is rare and unnecessary in my opinion. But accidents can happen and if I am going to get another bird from a different species I'll keep watch of their activities together.

Thank you for all the replies.

 

[LordTriggs]

We might be in chains giving baths to bird

Don't all of us here live in that situation anyway?

worse yet veloci-raptors come back.

Now I'm not condoning genetic manipulation and all that... But having a pet raptor would be kinda cool

 

[MonicaMc]

This is a really stupid question but is it possible for birds of completely different species to breed with each other? I'm not talking about like a conure x macaw cross breed but like maybe a more similar size for example a conure with a caique or a cockatoo with a macaw.

I'M NOT PLANNING ON BREEDING PARROTS OF OTHER SPECIES. IN FACT I'M AGAINST HYBRIDS TO SOME DEGREE. I'm asking because I was thinking about possibly getting another bird about the same size as my sun conures in the far future but I wanted to make sure just in case so I know what to prepare for.

Short answer is.... it depends.

I've been waiting on a picture of the caique x illiger hybrid. Now, if a caique x illiger can hybridize, then it might be possible for a conure x caique hybrid.

I've seen a picture of a mitred conure x blue fronted amazon hybrid. If that's possible, then an amazon x macaw might be possible... or an amazon x caique - for example.

I've heard of a mitred x tucuman amazon that had fertile eggs together, but no clue on if the eggs ever hatched.

Heard of another possible nanday x amazon hybrid, but know nothing more.

There is a jardines x timneh african grey hybrid.

Rainbow lorikeet x king parrot.

Australian ringneck x double rosella hybrid (3 hybrids in 1)

Some species between genuses can interbreed, such as Aratinga conures (sun, jenday, nanday, etc) and Pyrrhura (green cheek, black cap, crimson belly). But crossing genusus such as an aratinga x pyrrhura can happen very rarely, the babies often die before hatching because of genetic issues. Macaws are in the same genus, so they cross easily, and even Galah's and Cockatiels are supposedly close enough but again, possible genetic issues.

There are actually *A LOT* of Aratinga x Pyrrhura hybrids out there.... I know of/heard of....

Sun x Green Cheek
Sun x Black Cap (looks like first hybrid)
Nanday x Green Cheek
Dusky x Green Cheek
Dusky x Maroon Bellied

(might be missing one?)

Several pairs of sun x green cheeks have hybridized and made it to adult-hood. These are the most common hybrids - which is of no surprise. Everyone who has had these hybrids were told they couldn't hybridize, so they didn't attempt to discourage the behavior... because what could happen? It's natural. And then the eggs hatched...

To my knowledge there has only ever been one "galahtiel" and it was an accident that is very loved by the owners but was not intended.

I have heard RUMORS of the aratinga/pyrrhura cross but never evidence.

There have been at least 3, maybe 4 now? If there are any more than that, I haven't heard of them. There is a photo though of 2 other galatiels, unrelated to the first, that have been posted to the internet.

The first sun x green cheek hybrid I ever heard about... Coda. I don't know if he(?) is still alive today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mfids/2989546903/

Sun x green cheek family
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kim0024/3851317424/

A cinnamon mutation sun x green cheek girl and parents
https://www.flickr.com/photos/baileydelosreyes/10484659546/

Nanday x green cheek
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mfids/3003575302/

Dusky x green cheek
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mfids/7844648712/

Personally, I think hybrids are interesting in general. From hybrid dog breeds to hybrid animals of different species, I love researching about them.

Ever since I got my first bird a few years ago, I learned about hybrid birds and always wondered whether they have to be really similar species or not. I guess not lol. But still is rare and unnecessary in my opinion. But accidents can happen and if I am going to get another bird from a different species I'll keep watch of their activities together.

I kind of hate the term "hybrid dog"... that would be like calling a biracial human a "hybrid". We are all humans, thus the same species, just like dogs are all one species.


I am fascinated by hybrids though! I doubt I could ever breed hybrids, let alone knowingly purchase one, unless my heart was set on *THAT* bird. I'm not against owning them, but like another member, I am against them if the resulting hybrids have health issues (re: some multi-gen hybrid macaws, or hybrid macaws not of the same genera, the Aratinga x Pyrrhura hybrids, or Conure x Mini Macaw hybrids... probably Conure x Amazon hybrids, too, etc) or if the hybrid offspring don't look like hybrids at all, thus could easily be mistaken as a pure species.



I have some of the weird and wacky hybrid photos here, but there are many more that I'm missing!

https://www.flickr.com/groups/hybrid_parrots/

 

[MonicaMc]

Looking for a photo, ran across this thread again....


I can confirm that caique x conure is possible. There's at least one cross, possibly two now. Caiques bred to two different species of conures.