Back At The Vet

We got to meet the new vet AND I LOVE HIM!!!!! He feels her flare ups are due to the rise in hormones so today she is getting a lupron shot and baytril again. Her nares look horrible and she's lost so much plumage above her beak. He's hoping that by halting her hormone rush it will help with healing more quickly. He even mentioned spading her, not sure about that though.

She can't wait to leave the vet though lol! She flew across the clinic, her first flight ever when the Tech came for her with a towel, lollll!!!! Poor baby! She's giving them he** back there.

Oh and a fun moment while waiting, a toddler walked towards Venus' cage and he tried to stick his fingers in her cage. His mommy and I both jumped and grabbed him to stop him. I swear his mother had rubber arms holding a puppy, another child and stretching for the third lol.


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Taw5106 said:

We got to meet the new vet AND I LOVE HIM!!!!! He feels her flare ups are due to the rise in hormones so today she is getting a lupron shot and baytril again. Her nares look horrible and she's lost so much plumage above her beak. He's hoping that by halting her hormone rush it will help with healing more quickly. He even mentioned spading her, not sure about that though.

She can't wait to leave the vet though lol! She flew across the clinic, her first flight ever when the Tech came for her with a towel, lollll!!!! Poor baby! She's giving them he** back there.

Oh and a fun moment while waiting, a toddler walked towards Venus' cage and he tried to stick his fingers in her cage. His mommy and I both jumped and grabbed him to stop him. I swear his mother had rubber arms holding a puppy, another child and stretching for the third lol.

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Yup, Death to the Vet Tech in the back room! I think that is why our CAV does as much as possible with the Owner as a 'witness' to the carnage.

Our big guy takes a minimum of two, our CAV and her CAVT. And, every than, I get called in to help. I recall our first visit and the CAV stated that he is one strong Amazon. My only comment: he's a flyer. At that point, the CAVT got called in and its been a standard every since.

When I drive into the Clinic's driveway, our DYH Amazons is saying: No! No! No! And, on the way out the individual that prints-up the invoice and take payment is faced with verbal abuse as my 'well-behaved' Amazon trashes them with how much he did not like today's visit.

Mother's with small children and rapid moving arms is standard, well by the time that there are two, for certain!

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When I drive into the Clinic's driveway, our DYH Amazons is saying: No! No! No! And, on the way out the individual that prints-up the invoice and take payment is faced with verbal abuse as my 'well-behaved' Amazon trashes them with how much he did not like today's visit.

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My first visit with Buddy at the vet, everyone knew he was there. He said HELLLLOOOOO to everyone, screamed bloody murder in the back, and when they brought him back to me he was doing a "woo woo" like Abbott and Costello, lol. The vet asked me if Buddy knew any curse words and I replied we are about to find out, lol! No cursing thank goodness.



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Oh gosh, I hope the Lupron therapy helps. Not sure how birds are surgically treated for hormonal issues?

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Oh gosh, I hope the Lupron therapy helps. Not sure how birds are surgically treated for hormonal issues?

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I'm hesitant about spaying. The surgery is $750, and a Lupron shot is $75 a pop, however if the Lupron works, is a periodic shot worth the financial cost, and taking her in for it periodically. I'm thinking about those factors too I take her back in 2 weeks to a check up and the vet said each bird is different on how long the Lupron effects them, it can be 30 days even possibly 6 weeks so they want to see how long it will effect Venus. I am also reading up on spaying and flare ups in Ekkies due to hormone flare ups. I've also bumped up her Vitamin D and calcium. Also educating myself more on Lupron. Read, read, read, read, lol!

The vet told me the had just treated a 19 yo macaw that was egg bound. The egg broke internally and the macaw died so thinking about it I feel that emotion and concern on the vets' part plays into how they are treating Venus given her reputation for laying. So far she's only laid one egg in 2017, her record for 2016 remains at 7 eggs.


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Hey, Trace!

I really hope that the Lupron works for Venus. Those hormones are just so hard on that beautiful girl. The feather loss above the nares, does the vet feel that is due to her scratching at them, then?

I really haven't heard anything about spaying birds, so I couldn't speak on that one way or the other. I think I'll do some research at the first opportunity, though. Please make sure to share anything you wind up learning as you go? However, I really hope she won't need anything beyond the occasional shot of Lupron.

Just one question pops into my mind re the spaying, would she put on weight afterwards, would this be an issue long term?

Think there has been some progress made with this op in the last 10 years but as always there is risk.

Having the Rickeybird de-roostered... boggles my mind...
I wonder what life might have been (be?) like.

I hope the Lupron does work for Venus. Although the spaying would be a permanent and lifelong solution, I think that there is a lot more risk involved and I would be hesitant as well to have it done on a bird. I plan on getting my new dog spayed soon, but it has been done countless times on dogs and there are studies and research to back up the benefits in dogs and cats. Not so much in birds. Do they say there would be any benefits for Venus in having her spayed? Or would it be primarily for your benefit not having to deal with her hormones? I guess I would be more willing to at least look into it if it would be beneficial to her, if you get what I'm trying to say. Although it does seem a bit cost prohibitive.

With the toddler sticking his fingers in her cage, my heart would have stopped had it been Chicken's cage! Sometimes I wish someone would stop me from sticking my fingers in her cage... Just saying...

OutlawedSpirit said:

...Do they say there would be any benefits for Venus in having her spayed? Or would it be primarily for your benefit not having to deal with her hormones? I guess I would be more willing to at least look into it if it would be beneficial to her, if you get what I'm trying to say...

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Nah, the flare ups Tracy mentioned are regarding the respiratory issues Venus has from time to time, as well as the feathers that go missing around her nares, so she's definitely looking at it as something for Venus' benefit rather than her own.

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Having the Rickeybird de-roostered... boggles my mind...
I wonder what life might have been (be?) like.

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A Metro Sexual RickeyBird? That does boggles the mind!

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OutlawedSpirit said:

...Do they say there would be any benefits for Venus in having her spayed? Or would it be primarily for your benefit not having to deal with her hormones? I guess I would be more willing to at least look into it if it would be beneficial to her, if you get what I'm trying to say...

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Nah, the flare ups Tracy mentioned are regarding the respiratory issues Venus has from time to time, as well as the feathers that go missing around her nares, so she's definitely looking at it as something for Venus' benefit rather than her own.

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Then I just wonder, since I'm not sure if there have been any long term studies done on this type of procedure in birds, if it could have some of the same long term benefits it has shown to have in cats and dogs. Longer life span, lower risks of some cancers, etc.

I wonder, too. As you'd mentioned, such a procedure would be permanent. VERY scary, but that might just be because I haven't done the research, yet. Definitely not something to be undertaken lightly, though.

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Anansi said:

I wonder, too. As you'd mentioned, such a procedure would be permanent. VERY scary, but that might just be because I haven't done the research, yet. Definitely not something to be undertaken lightly, though.

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At this point I'm not in favor of spaying Venus. Researching I have not found much on spaying outside of other parronts talking about it, only found one that documented on spaying her baby after an egg issue which spaying was recommended and the parrot died 1.5 years after. There were other issues there. I've looked for vet information, one vet wrote about spaying a male peacock and didn't speak fondly of spaying to do it. I am still looking for documentation on the actual procedure and how it is done, but here is what I've documented so far and at this point it appears the Lupron is having a positive on her need to nest, she's playing again so I feel that spaying is not the right decision, even with her respiratory issues. She's improved so much over the last four days, even has some new red feather showing on her head. So here is my summary:

Tracey’s Pros/Cons Of Spaying Venus


CONSIDERATIONS
· Controls hormones
· Reduces/stops chronic egg laying, Venus has laid 8 eggs in one year, double the normal volume
· Cost of spay is $750.00
· Cost of Lupron shot is $75.00 per shot
· Each bird’s coverage time on Lupron can vary (ie 30 days to 6 weeks)

PROS
· Ends chronic egg laying
· Ends behavioral issues due to hormones

CONS
· High mortality rate, 50% documented in 2010 (haven’t spoken to vet)
· No source of hormone generation
· Ovaries are close to vital organs, increases surgical risks
· Unable to find documentation on quality of life after surgery.
· Unable to find documentation on parrots spayed without medical, life threatening issues.
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Feel free to weigh and comment.

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Anansi said:

OutlawedSpirit said:

...Do they say there would be any benefits for Venus in having her spayed? Or would it be primarily for your benefit not having to deal with her hormones? I guess I would be more willing to at least look into it if it would be beneficial to her, if you get what I'm trying to say...

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Nah, the flare ups Tracy mentioned are regarding the respiratory issues Venus has from time to time, as well as the feathers that go missing around her nares, so she's definitely looking at it as something for Venus' benefit rather than her own.

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Then I just wonder, since I'm not sure if there have been any long term studies done on this type of procedure in birds, if it could have some of the same long term benefits it has shown to have in cats and dogs. Longer life span, lower risks of some cancers, etc.

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What you said plays a big fear for me in my decision. Venus has a respiratory issue but I haven't been told it's uncureable, she's on antiobitics now for 7 days and Lupron because we tied a flair up of her nares loosing feathers around the time of her becoming very hormonal.

I also didn't find very much info regarding spaying parrots so I'm not confident that my Venus is a candidate and I don't want her to be. Yes the Lupron has eased some hormonal issues but not 100% of her behavioral issues which she doesn't have many in my book outside of wanting to be a Mother. Right now she is on my right shoulder preening herself in total happiness, however she still screams for me ( a mate call, yes I'm her "mate"), the difference she is not scrounging for nesting materials, is back to playing with her toys and new toys I've given her. She's not looking to nest for sure, less vocal but still calls me when I leave her sight. That is a normal flock call. This is all good and the anxiety she's been displaying is deminshed greatly. Positives are good so far.


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I do not think I would go this route if were me, Venus' respiratory issues are a red flag, not much info around on this major op, closeness to other organs you mentioned, no real after op info to judge long term benefits. More questions and negatives than answers.

Good news the Lupron shot has worked and she is happy and playing again.